JetBlue Pilot News

[donvag]

JB guys. Im was on the second to last class before we stopped hiring. I have been trying to register into bluepilots.com and it doesnt recognize my crew # or my name for that matter. Can any of you guys guide me to the right direction so I can register. Please PM me.
Thanx

 

[AKAAB]

I'd suggest you bypass bluepilots.com and go straight to the JBPA site at www.jetbluepilots.org.

 

[waterski]

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[waterski]

b the world doesn't just revolve around Forest Hills.

It dosent DAM BLUE JUICE

 

[PCL_128]

Don't think that's right. It's only 35% to have a vote, but most organizing efforts wait until they have significantly more to petition for a vote. More than 50% have to then vote for representation for it to succeed. Whichever agent receives the most votes will represent the group.

You are correct, sir. Only 35% required to hold a vote. However, most unions will wait until a significant majority turn in cards. ALPA doesn't like to disclose what their threshold is, but I can say that it's quite a bit higher than 35%, and even quite a bit higher than 50%. I would imagine that the JBPA is probably using similar benchmarks before petitioning for an election. Just because they haven't filed doesn't mean that they haven't gotten a majority of the cards.

I wish the JB guys luck on this. I've been seeing a lot of JB pilots with the JBPA stickers on their bags, so that's a good sign. Is the JBPA still looking for donations from pilots outside of JB?

 

[PCL_128]

That's great that they decided to go internal, but I hope that one of the first things the JBPA does is get a JBPA-PAC started.

As someone else mentioned, CAPA-PAC already exists. NPA, IPA, SWAPA, etc... are already member airlines. It's not exactly very powerful, and doesn't really get any attention from CapHill like ALPA-PAC does, but I guess it's better than nothing.

 

[Fins Up]

Is the JBPA still looking for donations from pilots outside of JB?

I can't imagine they would turn any donations down. Here's the link: https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/w...80d546411d7f84f1036d8f209d3d1d1a60b0b34578c41

 

[ualdriver]

As someone else mentioned, CAPA-PAC already exists. NPA, IPA, SWAPA, etc... are already member airlines. It's not exactly very powerful, and doesn't really get any attention from CapHill like ALPA-PAC does, but I guess it's better than nothing.

I agree PCL, but trying to convince 95% of the guys on this forum about the effectiveness of any of those groups vs. ALPA and/or the ALPA-PAC is pretty much wasted time! ALPA took their pensions, ALPA furloughed them, ALPA gave them paycuts, ALPA is the reason we have age 65, etc., etc., is pretty much the norm on flightinfo.com- as you well know. So if they at least give to any PAC that represents the interests of airline pilots, even if they're not as effective as ALPA-PAC, it's better than nothing as you say.

 

[Blueline]

Donations

Is the JBPA still looking for donations from pilots outside of JB?

You can also donate here:

http://www.jetbluepilots.org/Donate/tabid/71/Default.aspx

If you can help, thanks for the donation.

 

[hateairlines]

I'm curiuos how these wonderful union organizers at Jbpa got my address without my permission. What's next a couple of 300 pounder's showing up at my front door with a card to sign in hand? I was on the fence not any more.

 

[Smoking Man]

If your have a Medical, or a pilots license all anyone would have to know is your name (seniority list).

Hate to break the news to you but you address is public record.


https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

 

[WateryGrave]

I'm curiuos how these wonderful union organizers at Jbpa got my address without my permission. What's next a couple of 300 pounder's showing up at my front door with a card to sign in hand? I was on the fence not any more.

Oh no, another piece of mail. The horror.

If the fact that you received a piece of mail from the JBPA is pushing you off the fence to the side of being against a union then you are an idiot. Not because your against a union, thats your choice, but because of your conspiracy theorist attitude towards the JBPA. Oh no, they have my address, are they spying on me? Quick go buy a shredder, I bet they are going through your trash as well. Maybe you should wear one of those little tin hats so they don't read your thoughts too.

Lighten up Francis, since when does someone need your permission to send you a piece of mail. What do you do with all of the junk mail from the credit card companies? Are you afraid that Capitol One or Citibank are gonna show up at your house with some muscle and force you to sign up for a credit card?

Watch out for the boogie man. Hey FI gets your IP address when you post. Watch out, they know who you are.....

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Well said, WG. I personally would like to have a paperless union to match my paperless JB, oh wait ...

 

[hateairlines]

It's easier than I thought to get everyone fired up about union stuff. Talk about needing to lighten up

 

[elag777]

You are correct, sir. Only 35% required to hold a vote. However, most unions will wait until a significant majority turn in cards. ALPA doesn't like to disclose what their threshold is, but I can say that it's quite a bit higher than 35%, and even quite a bit higher than 50%. I would imagine that the JBPA is probably using similar benchmarks before petitioning for an election. Just because they haven't filed doesn't mean that they haven't gotten a majority of the cards.

I wish the JB guys luck on this. I've been seeing a lot of JB pilots with the JBPA stickers on their bags, so that's a good sign. Is the JBPA still looking for donations from pilots outside of JB?

A good example of not knowing what is being signed. (Interest Cards) If 51% are returned there will be no vote. The NMB will recognize JBPA as a labor group. Just understand and read the fine print!

 

[J3guy]

I'm curiuos how these wonderful union organizers at Jbpa got my address without my permission. What's next a couple of 300 pounder's showing up at my front door with a card to sign in hand? I was on the fence not any more.

hummm.... ever notice if you're a cfi, how every two years you get many unsolicited renewal offers from various places. same thing man

 

[PCL_128]

A good example of not knowing what is being signed. (Interest Cards) If 51% are returned there will be no vote. The NMB will recognize JBPA as a labor group. Just understand and read the fine print!

You are incorrect. I'm a former RLA union organizer. I've done a few of these drives. I know a thing or two about it. Interest cards, as you call them, (really called Authorization for Representation cards) are only used to determine whether a vote will be held. If you get 70% of them, then you still have a vote. I've worked a few ALPA drives that received quite a bit over 50% of the cards, but we still had to have votes. Get educated.

 

[elag777]

You are incorrect. I'm a former RLA union organizer. I've done a few of these drives. I know a thing or two about it. Interest cards, as you call them, (really called Authorization for Representation cards) are only used to determine whether a vote will be held. If you get 70% of them, then you still have a vote. I've worked a few ALPA drives that received quite a bit over 50% of the cards, but we still had to have votes. Get educated.

so you have a copy of the JBPA literature in front of you then?

 

[PCL_128]

so you have a copy of the JBPA literature in front of you then?

If the JBPA literature says what you're claiming, then it's incorrect. I know the law.

 

[rayford steele]

The Jetblue pilots are divided into two main groups. Airbus captains and everybody else.

Hey Genius,
You want to know what group has the lowest interest (cards)? 320 FO's....thats right FO's.

 

[Jet41]

1600-2000 Guys that came from commuter jobs, are just happy to be here, and think that everything blue rules.

This might be be one of the most arrogant statements I've seen regarding possible organization at Jetblue, the very idea that the bottom 400 guys be it commuter or otherwise don't have the "wisdom" to make an informed decision is a slap in the face of the pilots you speak of. Statements like this help no one, and certainly not those supporting the organizational drive.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

so you have a copy of the JBPA literature in front of you then?

The company would have to agree to that. So... if JBPA had 50%+1 or more and JetBlue was to consent to certiication, the NMB *could* certify JBPA without a vote.

Does that clear things up?

 

[elag777]

The company would have to agree to that. So... if JBPA had 50%+1 or more and JetBlue was to consent to certiication, the NMB *could* certify JBPA without a vote.

Does that clear things up?

I wasn't muddy...but thanks...

 

[CaptainSpaz]

I wasn't muddy...but thanks...

Just making sure, because in your previous post it appeared you didn't know that the company had to consent. My mistake.

 

[JT12345]

1600-2000 Guys that came from commuter jobs, are just happy to be here, and think that everything blue rules.

Commuter jobs?

Do those guys from Cape Air have a union or are you talking about the guys outta college cause most of the commuter guys probably came from a union carrier.

As for commuter jobs the reason why you guys are voting for a union is because everyone except Airbus Captains are getting paid commuter pay. So unless oil drops below $100/barrel you are looking at commuter pay for the next 10 years until you make Airbus Captain.

I wish your group the best of luck in these times. Statements like these are divisive.

 

[PCL_128]

The company would have to agree to that. So... if JBPA had 50%+1 or more and JetBlue was to consent to certiication, the NMB *could* certify JBPA without a vote.

Does that clear things up?

Even that isn't 100% correct. Yes, the company could agree to certify in that case, but a group of the pilots could also object and demand an election, or an alternate union could object and demand an election. If there's no objection, then yes, the company could agree to certify. But I think everyone knows that that won't happen.

 

[elag777]

Just making sure, because in your previous post it appeared you didn't know that the company had to consent. My mistake.

No worries! there was enough grey in my statement to read that into the interpretation. I was suggesting that people may think it is "just" an interest card, and my point to PLC was he should know that there could potentially be "no" vote, with >51% (unlikely) if agreed to by the company if he knew the law as stated.
Cheers Spaz!