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avratdwc

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All,

can someone please clarify the below:

from the website:

1000 hours in airplanes at or above 20,000 pounds (maximum takeoff
weight) or 1000 hours in large jet-powered airplanes at or above 12,500

pounds (maximum takeoff weight)

What defines jet-powered in the eyes of JetBlue. Is it pure turbojet time or do all forms of turbine time, i.e. turboprop apply?

The reason I ask is I have 650 hrs in the Citation 560 series and 400 hrs in the B200's plus alot of PC12 time, yet that does not make 12,500 MTOW.

Looking forward to hearing the insight. Happy New Year to all.

Avrat
 
Joblu, yes, the PC12 is a Pilatus. Ru working for JB. I assume yes by your SN. What is your take on my original question.

Thanks,

Avrat
 
They look at jet time and turbo-prop time different. If you have 1900 time then it dosent count because of the weight, but ATR, DH-8 does. Jet time in a light jet (citation) does count because its greater then 12,500lbs.....So all your B-200 time will not count.
 
All,

Thanks for the insight. I will probably lob a call in anyways just to double check, who knows maybe I will catch the rite person. Kinda a pisser for my B200 time as its MTOW is 12.5. Oh well. Just getting stuck in a rock and a hard place trying to get out.

Happy New Year!!!

Avrat
 
jet blue

B1900-3000T-PIC and it does not count?


Flying in the weather all day long, no auto pilot...and it does not count? Not what I heard but it should count if it does not.Why?
 
Interview in April and got hired in the summer, had time in a 145, CE500 (not all the time over 12500) and about 250 hours in the B200 (the 1900 last I checked is more than 12500) and about 100 hours in a TBM 700 they asked me about all the experiences and what I thought about B200 and the 700......seemed happy that I had more then just one type of experience, that said I was currently flying the 145 as a captain.


So hopefully you will be fine.....Happy holidays
 
82spukram said:
Interview in April and got hired in the summer, had time in a 145, CE500 (not all the time over 12500) and about 250 hours in the B200 (the 1900 last I checked is more than 12500) and about 100 hours in a TBM 700 they asked me about all the experiences and what I thought about B200 and the 700......seemed happy that I had more then just one type of experience, that said I was currently flying the 145 as a captain.


So hopefully you will be fine.....Happy holidays
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1900 is over 12.5, but its a turbo-prop. Again Jet and Turbo-prop is looked at different. I agree that its not right.
 
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Why is it not right?

Jet and Turbo-prop is looked at differently because it IS different.

Because alot of people here have friends who have only flown the 1900, should the minimums be changed? And would the same folks have wanted the minimums changed back when their resume loaded with jet and heavy time was getting them an interview?
 
JetBlue's view on t-props will likely only change when they have trouble finding applicants. Until that time, why should they change it? They seem to be finding new-hires that they are pleased with.

When I was slogging around a 1900, I thought it was curious that JetBlue viewed a 1900 differently than an EMB-120 but that was their decision.
 
hyperboy said:
B1900-3000T-PIC and it does not count?


Flying in the weather all day long, no auto pilot...and it does not count? Not what I heard but it should count if it does not.Why?
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I feel your pain. In 2001 I was denied an interview because of the 20K weight requirement. At the time I had over 4500TT 2500PIC in the 1900. If I was hired in 2001 I would have been in the top 100.

3 years later (hoping it would relax by then but did not) I took a job flying CRJ's (FO) for 3 years to satisfy that requirement. Here I am. I agree it is bogus but that is the way it has been and looks like it will be.

Good luck guys!
 
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mins

My point is you could have a jet fo that was from an accelerated course like san juan in farmington where they have their bare mins for their commercial ticket.

They sit in the right seat for 1000 hours and then go to JB because of the weight of the aircraft qualifies them at JB. No TPIC..... No JET PIC but they qualify for the jet b/c of it's weight.

I with 3000 hours of TPIC in the B1900 does not. The first time they make a big decision will be in the Left seat of a JB airbus.

How does that make any sense? Why would you give experience for weight of A/C and why even try to upgrade ever especially if you want to go to JB. Sure that's the way it is and I'm fine with that but it still makes no sense.
 
I agree it's frustrating... I have several Big Sky guys in my crashpad and asked Verna about it, no dice. It would be nice to try to help them out.... On the other hand we're really not hiring many guys with only right-seat time so your example isn't really holding water. (Not to mention by the time they see left seat of a JB Bus they'll probably have seven or eight years here).
 
I agree I think their is only a hand full of people with no TPIC time on property and I know (not trashing them just saying) CAL has a lot more FOs with no PIC Turb time.
 
hyperboy said:
My point is you could have a jet fo that was from an accelerated course like san juan in farmington where they have their bare mins for their commercial ticket.

They sit in the right seat for 1000 hours and then go to JB because of the weight of the aircraft qualifies them at JB. No TPIC..... No JET PIC but they qualify for the jet b/c of it's weight.

I with 3000 hours of TPIC in the B1900 does not. The first time they make a big decision will be in the Left seat of a JB airbus.

How does that make any sense? Why would you give experience for weight of A/C and why even try to upgrade ever especially if you want to go to JB. Sure that's the way it is and I'm fine with that but it still makes no sense.
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While I understand what you're saying and appreciate the point you're trying to make, I just wanted to say that I'm very sure we've never hired a civillian pilot with 1300 hours total time, no turbine PIC time, etc. While I suppose our mins might technically allow that, while disallowing a highly qualified B-1900 Captain, I really don't think that's ever happened. I'm only aware of a few pilots hired without any turbine PIC, and every one I knew of had substantial total, turbine, jet, etc time far, far exceeding "legal mins" plus 1000 right seat in an RJ.

Again I'm not arguing that the B-1900 pilot you described shouldn't be given an opportunity, just that the mins are just that. Mins. Flight academy to RJ and one year later JetBlue just does not happen, even though I suppose in theory it could.
 
A guy had offers from FedEx and SWA... but JB wouldn't talk to him... then there was a jb mechanic turned pilot who had zero PIC time and he got on...
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:
A guy had offers from FedEx and SWA... but JB wouldn't talk to him... then there was a jb mechanic turned pilot who had zero PIC time and he got on...
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JB knew the mechanic, that's called human resources 101, been happening since the beginning of time.
 

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