Jetblue fails to meet expectations, or explain why, again...

[Stanky]

The expected and promised announcement from one of the Barger brothers didn't happen.

The pay didn't go up.

We still sucki.

Rumor is the next carrot dangles until August.

Vote for a union, any union.

 

[Tired in KTol]

Well I for one am not surprised, dissapointed yes. I have absolutely no respect left for management at this airline. Many of us live paycheck to paycheck and needed this raise badly. I truly hope this helps open some bluejuicers minds to the fact that we are no different than any other airline. Wake up.

The expected and promised announcement from one of the Barger brothers didn't happen.

The pay didn't go up.

We still sucki.

Rumor is the next carrot dangles until August.

Vote for a union, any union.

 

[Bluejob]

I voted for the JBPA and would have rather seen an in house over ALPA. No longer. No matter the outcome in August, I'll vote for any representation. Mike Barger is not able to manage any pilot group.

 

[gt1900]

This just in....... Jetblue is now officially a major, all the pilots are p1ssed and they are going union........ Just kidding, sortof. I was hoping you guys were going to get those wages so AAI couldn't hold anything over our heads. Mabye, if our guys grow a pair we can try and set the bar up a little higher as well. Good luck and keep fighting.

 

[bluesideup340]

The new pay rates are out. A day late- not too bad.
Plus 2% Union due savings.


A320 CA, E90 CA, A320 FO, E90 FO

1. 138.13, 124.32, 47.00, 47.00
2. 139.88, 125.90, 68.54, 61.96
3. 141.66, 127.49, 80.75, 72.67
4. 143.46, 129.11, 87.51, 78.76
5. 145.28, 130.75, 91.53, 82.37
6. 147.13, 132.41, 95.63, 86.07
7. 149.00, 134.10, 98.34, 88.50
8. 150.89, 135.80, 99.59, 89.63
9. 152.80, 137.52, 102.38, 92.14
10. 154.74, 139.27, 105.23, 94.70
11. 156.71, 141.04, 106.56, 95.91
12. 158.70, 142.83, 107.92, 97.12

 

[johnsonrod]

The new pay rates are out. A day late- not too bad.
Plus 2% Union due savings.



A320 CA, E90 CA, A320 FO, E90 FO

1. 138.13, 124.32, 47.00, 47.00
2. 139.88, 125.90, 68.54, 61.96
3. 141.66, 127.49, 80.75, 72.67
4. 143.46, 129.11, 87.51, 78.76
5. 145.28, 130.75, 91.53, 82.37
6. 147.13, 132.41, 95.63, 86.07
7. 149.00, 134.10, 98.34, 88.50
8. 150.89, 135.80, 99.59, 89.63
9. 152.80, 137.52, 102.38, 92.14
10. 154.74, 139.27, 105.23, 94.70
11. 156.71, 141.04, 106.56, 95.91
12. 158.70, 142.83, 107.92, 97.12

How do these numbers compare with expectations? I realize the economy has imploded but what were the realistic expectations (or commonly voiced expectations)?

 

[Blue Dude]

Plus 2% Union due savings.

Don't put that option away anytime soon. This brings base pay up to average. Great. We still have much work to do regarding retirement, medical, insurance, disability, work rules, merger protection and scope, all of which are well below average. And even if every one of these was brought to industry average, which I don't expect this side of a CBA, we'll still just be average. Yay.

What good does it do us to save 2% in dues if it costs us 20% in compensation?

 

[bluesideup340]

Don't put that option away anytime soon. This brings base pay up to average. Great. We still have much work to do regarding retirement, medical, insurance, disability, work rules, merger protection and scope, all of which are well below average. And even if every one of these was brought to industry average, which I don't expect this side of a CBA, we'll still just be average. Yay.

What good does it do us to save 2% in dues if it costs us 20% in compensation?

Hi Dude
I get it you are a die hard Union guy. Fact is, JB management and the PVC achieved something you and all the other die hards would have never considered porssible without a CBA.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Hi Dude
I get it you are a die hard Union guy. Fact is, JB management and the PVC achieved something you and all the other die hards would have never considered porssible without a CBA.

How about addressing the issues instead of calling someone a die hard. Pay rates mean very little if there are no trip rigs, airplanes to fly (read scope), a paycheck if you are out on LTD, health insurance on LTD, or retirement. I remember my first airline to blueside. Welcome...we're almost average....yippee!

 

[aerobato]

If we had voted in the JBPA, what would the new pay rates be? I mean, I'm just asking.. I think we would be about have about 2% of a CBA finished by now.

 

[AA767AV8TOR]

Can any of the Blue guys provide a percentage increase on the pay?

Also, I think your time and a half went from 70 hours to now to 78 hours. What's the effect on the senior pilots?

Thanks in advance.

AA767AV8TOR

 

[B6Busdriver]

I'll repost this:

WOW...we're now average. That's great after 10 years in business our payrates are AVERAGE.

However we are still below average in:
-retirement
-ltd
-health care on ltd
-work rules
-scope

This is a step in the right direction but we have a long way to go Spectre.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Can any of the Blue guys provide a percentage increase on the pay?

Also, I think your time and a half went from 70 hours to now to 78 hours. What's the effect on the senior pilots?

Thanks in advance.

AA767AV8TOR

Here is the thread with the new rates:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=123207

 

[brainhurts]

Hi Dude
I get it you are a die hard Union guy. Fact is, JB management and the PVC achieved something you and all the other die hards would have never considered porssible without a CBA.

Blueside, the only reason this is happening is because of the JBPA drive. You need to get on your knees and worship the efforts of those guys so that your sorry a$$ could get a raise.

 

[Blue Dude]

Hi Dude
I get it you are a die hard Union guy. Fact is, JB management and the PVC achieved something you and all the other die hards would have never considered porssible without a CBA.

Never considered possible? Changing rates is the easy part. It's been done many times before and it'll be done again, with or without a CBA.

Die hard? Me? You've got me confused with someone else. I simply want an option that gets the job done, and nobody has demonstrated that fixing some of the items I mentioned is even possible outside of a CBA. So what about the other items I mentioned? How would you fix them without a union, or do these things not concern you?

 

[bluesideup340]

Never considered possible? Changing rates is the easy part. It's been done many times before and it'll be done again, with or without a CBA.

Die hard? Me? You've got me confused with someone else. I simply want an option that gets the job done, and nobody has demonstrated that fixing some of the items I mentioned is even possible outside of a CBA. So what about the other items I mentioned? How would you fix them without a union, or do these things not concern you?

All I am saying the PVC and Management have made progress will continue making porgress. What they have accomplished in record time it encouraging. I am sure other improvements will follow.

 

[bluesideup340]

Blueside, the only reason this is happening is because of the JBPA drive. You need to get on your knees and worship the efforts of those guys so that your sorry a$$ could get a raise.

Hi Brainhurts,
I blieve it was me that posted here on the board during the JBPA drive. That the prospects of a Union on property is a much more powerful negotiation tool than actually having a Union.
That being said thanks for the Union drive and thanks to all that did not vote.

 

[Blue Dude]

All I am saying the PVC and Management have made progress will continue making porgress. What they have accomplished in record time it encouraging. I am sure other improvements will follow.

Don't get me wrong. My inner math geek is thrilled that we finally have a comprehensive pay scale framework that's easily adjustable and quite comparable to our peers. I'm especially thrilled that the E190 guys are getting the pay they deserve. Maybe it will put to rest the have/have not complaints. We'll all be in the together for the first time since the pay scale was so shamefully split in 2004.

But as I said, the pay is the easy part. There are no legal hurdles to clear and you can change them at any time. If you'll read the meeting minutes, it's plain that for some of the tougher items, nobody even knows where to start, much less knows when to expect actual results. Outside of a CBA, most avenues are closed to us since they're just plain illegal, no matter how willing management is to accommodate us. That's why I say that putting away the union option no matter what may be very short sighted.

 

[Stanky]

I'm with Blue Dude

Although I'm very happy to see the pay rates go up to average (for me about a 32% increase), we still have a long way to go.

I'm honestly thankful and happy with what the CBC guys did, I think it was a great start, but as has been stated, we still have a long way to go in so many other areas.

And, as the Midex guys can attest, without scope, none of this really means anything. I would like that to be the next big issue followed by the LTD, STD and insurance issues.

Thanks again to the CBC guys, round one is over, there are a few rounds left, and I still plan on voting for a union at this point.

 

[Caveman]

Although I'm very happy to see the pay rates go up to average (for me about a 32% increase), we still have a long way to go.

I'm honestly thankful and happy with what the CBC guys did, I think it was a great start, but as has been stated, we still have a long way to go in so many other areas.

And, as the Midex guys can attest, without scope, none of this really means anything. I would like that to be the next big issue followed by the LTD, STD and insurance issues.

Thanks again to the CBC guys, round one is over, there are a few rounds left, and I still plan on voting for a union at this point.

I agree. Good job so far, but more needs to be done. Kudos to the company also for meeting us half way. They said they would and they did. Despite the good work done so far I will still vote for a CBA unless we can find a legal solution to scope, LOL/STD and retirement.