jetblue EMB-190 pay??!!!

[767-300ER]

I just completed jetBlue's new EMB190 scale on http://www.airlinepilotpay.com.

What month in 2005 do they start arriving?

 

[jetblue320]

THIS HAS GOT TO BE FLAME BAIT. Will someone wearing blue please correct this apparent error....i hope....

Without going into details about the EMB190 payrates, I will make one statement:
Dizel8 wears blue, through and through.


C ya

 

[jetblue320]

Does anyone remember what the original (1999) A320 hourly rate was?

AKAAB

Yes, it was $86 an hour. The EMB190 pay WILL be adjusted upwards once the numbers prove the plane to be what it is projected to be. Same thing happened on the A320. If you don't like the EMB190 pay.....apply at the legacy carriers.

Ooops....I forgot.....

C ya

 

[furloughed dude]

The 190 pay was lower than I thought it would be. My friends that worked there seemed to think that the 320 rates would be increased 10-15% and the 190 would be adjusted accordingly. They thought it would be about 65% OF 320 pay.

I am a supporter of Jetblue, but this pay definitely "lowers the bar." I've heard time and again that the 190 isn't a regional jet, but it sure appears to pay like one. I was expecting about 90 bucks an hour to start, which is about half of NWA's DC9 rate (most of NWAs -9s are 100 seaters). As a matter of fact, a 2nd year FO on the DC-9 makes more than a EMB-190 Captain tops out at. Of course NWA is in concessionary talks now, but this payscale is much like a regional carrier.

It is good that the upgrade time will be quick, because I don't think morale will be high with FOs topping out at 50 bucks an hour or so.

 

[F18-FDX]

The race to the bottom in pilot pay is most definitely underway, pretty sad.

Any response expected from the JB pilot group? I doubt it, not sure it would make a bit of difference anyway. Just curious.

 

[80drvr]

The 190 pay was lower than I thought it would be. My friends that worked there seemed to think that the 320 rates would be increased 10-15% and the 190 would be adjusted accordingly. They thought it would be about 65% OF 320 pay.

I am a supporter of Jetblue, but this pay definitely "lowers the bar." I've heard time and again that the 190 isn't a regional jet, but it sure appears to pay like one. I was expecting about 90 bucks an hour to start, which is about half of NWA's DC9 rate (most of NWAs -9s are 100 seaters). As a matter of fact, a 2nd year FO on the DC-9 makes more than a EMB-190 Captain tops out at. Of course NWA is in concessionary talks now, but this payscale is much like a regional carrier.

It is good that the upgrade time will be quick, because I don't think morale will be high with FOs topping out at 50 bucks an hour or so.

Sometimes putting lipstick on a pig just doesn't do the trick.

 

[datafox]

That payscale sucks. No way around it.

 

[catIIIc]

You guys better start lowering your mins pretty soon because I don't know of any RJ or Turboprop captain will be willing to take such a large pay cut for such a long time just to go to Jetblue. At least at most airlines including regionals there is a substantial pay bump after year number one. You guys just get a dollar or two hour raise. The upgrades will start to slow at one point then those guys at bottom will suffer, but oh well just as long as you guys are happy with this.

CatIIIc

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

setting the bar? there's no more bar

 

[colorado418]

So what happens to the poor guy that gets hired at the end of the cycle? Or is it his fault for missing the wave and not getting that quick upgrade?

If that poor guy does not want to be hired then, he can turn it down. Is that so hard to understand? As for anyone else that does not want to come to JetBlue and work for those wages, they can turn it down. Not too hard to figure out. Are we to worry about the guys that are going to get hired in 2011 now? Fearing that they are going to be upset that upgrade it 5 years? What it upgrade at United now? At American? At Delta? At Southwest?

 

[F18-FDX]

Even if they aren't happy, I don't think anybody can or will say a word or they'll get fired after year 5. A certain group who makes the rules has another certain group by the b@lls . Of course the folks currently on the property may not give two hoots because it won't affect them...too much...yet.

 

[colorado418]

You guys better start lowering your mins pretty soon because I don't know of any RJ or Turboprop captain will be willing to take such a large pay cut for such a long time just to go to Jetblue. At least at most airlines including regionals there is a substantial pay bump after year number one. You guys just get a dollar or two hour raise. The upgrades will start to slow at one point then those guys at bottom will suffer, but oh well just as long as you guys are happy with this.

CatIIIc

How long is a long time? As we start getting the 190 next year, the plan is to take around 7-9 next year (I think) as well as 17 320's. In 2006, the plan is to take 17 of each of them. If someone is chasing pay, they can take the 190 right out of GS and get a quick upgrade. Probably 6 months or less. If the 190 Captain seat is not opening up that quick for them it is because other guys are getting it instead of the 320, which opens up slots in that for upgrade.

What it comes down to is not really the money, but where do you want to work. I got my DHL package this morning with the new rates in it. It is now 11 hours later and the rates are on line. If there are those out there that do not like the thought of working here for those wages, DON'T APPLY!! It is really that easy.

Would I like to see the numbers higher? Absolutely. Are we an established 33 year carrier with a long history of profits? No. Are we a 5 year old company that is making a profit? Yes. We want to continue to as well. That way we can continue to hire guys that are furloughed from the 30+ year old airlines.

 

[colorado418]

Even if they aren't happy, I don't think anybody can or will say a word or they'll get fired after year 5. A certain group who makes the rules has another certain group by the b@lls . Of course the folks currently on the property may not give two hoots because it won't affect them...too much...yet.

I guess you know all about the guys that are on year 5 that are getting their pink slips huh? jetblue320, did you get yours yet???

Give it up on the 5 year deal guys. When the first guys signed a 5 year deal, they did it with a start up. What were the chances of us making it to 5 years? No much some would say. What would be the chances of doing ok, but then being bought? There would be some chance of that. So what does a 5 year deal do for a guy that is giving up security of a job to go to a start up? Job Security!! If bought, the deal goes with them. I am glad there are so many folks out there worried about our old timers. I don't think that our old timers give it nears as much though as you do though...

 

[On Your Six]

Kinda lets some of the air out of the tire... It's disappointing - that's a fact. Sure, Jet Blue will always be a fun place to work, but is that enough if you have to live near NYC in $hittsville before you can bid another domicile? All current Jet Blue pilots won't have to worry because they will all likely be flying A320s - and probably be in the left seat by the time the E190s arrive. That's great for them, but others might have to sit on the E190 for awhile at the low rates. Not the best news for potential Jet Blue applicants. I am sure high-paid regional pilots like those at Comair and Horizon will be worried about these rates and how they will impact their own wage levels...

I wonder what Virgin America rates will be now (even on the A320)? The bar keeps on lowering....

 

[pilot141]

Are we to worry about the guys that are going to get hired in 2011 now?

Yes, you are. You fail "Improving The Job 101". If many, many guys before you had not fought many battles in order to set the bar higher, your pay rates (yes YOURS, not some new hire 7 years from now) would be lower, and your work rules would be worse. Just because you won't have to live with a $35/hour pay rate doesn't mean that it won't suck for guys at YOUR airline.

I've seen senior guys "pull up the ladder" at legacy carriers when guys get furloughed, but you guys are pulling up the ladder before you even hire these people! (Note: I know you did not set the pay rates, but you don't have to defend the stinkin things!)

The new pay rates suck. There are parties going on right now at AMR, DAL, UAL, NWA, and many other corporate HQs. These pay rates will be thrown in everyone's face as the new "standard" for a 100-seat jet.