JetBlue: Below average and it's going to stay that way.

[Flyby1206]

Thanks, Flyby!


Do you see a lot of low to nothing turbine PIC getting hired though?

More in the recent hiring spree than previously, and I am sure others will chime in on their theories behind this. The ones who dont have any PIC turbine DO seem to have several thousand hours in the right seat of a 121 jet operation.

 

[BeachBummer]

BB,

Eventually you have to grow up and recognize that we are now an established major airline, no longer a start up. No, we haven't been around as long as the really big boys with the really big toys, but we are now amongst the top ten in the US and even figure quite well in the world rankings as far as ASM's, we far outpaced some flag carriers.

It's time to wear big boy pants!

If you mean "you" as in our managment needs to step up and wear some big boy pants? yes, I totally agree with your statment.

If you meant "you" as in we as an airline need to man up and wear some big boy pants, I hear ya there too.

If you mean "you" as in I need some big boy pants... ya lost me, I like shorts and flops.

If you meant "you" BB as in BlueBayou... well... no comment.

 

[StarChecker]

As we move forward, there will be challenges, but you'll see for the most part, Jetblue has provided most of what we can ask for.

What you can "ask for" with your fully funded military pension, government health insurance, and top 5% seniority number and what the rest of us "ask for" with the worst health insurance and retirement in the industry, are quite different.

And no, that's not hyperbole, we have the worst health insurance and retirement in the industry. If not for many other reasons, just the fact that both can be changed or completely terminated as per your PEA. But you and 1193 other myopic fools bought the line that a PEA that allows the company to terminate a retirement plan is better than a negotiated CBA.

But I get it. You're good. You upgraded in a few months and hold your nice productive turns while the bottom 50% languish on reserve or the right seat with no prospect of upgrading with our paltry retirement numbers and makes plans to head elsewhere.

But anyway....CONGRATS. You got your average! After all, the 2.21% was to adjust our pay to AVERAGE.

Congrats!....YOU'RE MEDIOCRE!....

 

[chrayo]

No thank you. The 190 is not a regional jet, it's very similar to a DC-9 or 717 which have always been mainline jets. Just because every other jet that Embraer makes is an RJ, that doesn't make the 190 an RJ by association.

Boeing 717 - Max takeoff weight, 110,000, Typical seating 106-117
E190- Max takeoff weight 114,000, Typical seating 94-114
(As posted on Wikipedia)

Jetblue 5 yr FO/8 yr CA E190 = $82 / $136
Airtran 5 yr FO/8 yr CA 717 = $93 / $151

I know you feel superior to we small, single aisle, narrow body jet 190 pilots in your giant, er slightly less small, single aisle, narrow body A320, but I'll pass on the pay cut, thanks.

717 MTOW is 120,000....FWIW?

 

[shon7]

And no, that's not hyperbole, we have the worst health insurance and retirement in the industry. If not for many other reasons, just the fact that both can be changed or completely terminated as per your PEA. But you and 1193 other myopic fools bought the line that a PEA that allows the company to terminate a retirement plan is better than a negotiated CBA.

if things are so bad you can always leave. unfortunately, losers like you come with their tongues watering and then stay on and moan and groan about how the world has done them wrong. Every B6 pilot has had an option not to sign the PEA or not to renew. If you really want to take a stand lets see you do that.

 

[J32driver]

if things are so bad you can always leave. unfortunately, losers like you come with their tongues watering and then stay on and moan and groan about how the world has done them wrong. Every B6 pilot has had an option not to sign the PEA or not to renew. If you really want to take a stand lets see you do that.

Every time I read a post like this, all I can think is "abused wife syndrome". You get beat and you are convinced it is your fault. It is just sad.

 

[B6Busdriver]

if things are so bad you can always leave. unfortunately, losers like you come with their tongues watering and then stay on and moan and groan about how the world has done them wrong. Every B6 pilot has had an option not to sign the PEA or not to renew. If you really want to take a stand lets see you do that.

You are becoming more annoying than instuctordude. At least he's funny, you are just annoying.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

if things are so bad you can always leave. unfortunately, losers like you come with their tongues watering and then stay on and moan and groan about how the world has done them wrong. Every B6 pilot has had an option not to sign the PEA or not to renew. If you really want to take a stand lets see you do that.

Wow!

Signing our PEA's??? Really????

Our PEA's have absolutely nothing to do with our retirement or health insurance, being kicked to COBRA for 18 months while on LTD (and then offered NO insurance after 5 years. Our PEA's have very little to do with our work rules.

When I was hired I was told that PAY AND BENEFITS would be at Southwest -2%. I was OK with that. The FACT is that we are nowhere near Southwest in ANY category...pay, work rules, retirement, insurance, LTD...

So, after being here over 8 years and hoping for things to get better (with a CBA) your advice is to just leave? At some point in your career (relative seniority, age and responsibilites considered) you are basically married to the company who employs you. Like it or not, that's the way it is in the US airline industry. I am married to this company and am trying to make it a better place to work for ALL pilots. I have voted for ALPA twice and will do it again.

All you "It's better than MESA" crowd just astound me! This is a major airline that is larger than Airtran, Frontier and Alaska. But you guys are just happy to wear the gaigh blue shirt. Get closer to age 50 and tell me what you think. And consider that you don't have tri-care or military retirement either (BlueBayou...this means you!).

And for those of you who really think that we are "only 3%" behind in our retirement....let me put this in perspective for you. In 2010 an Alaska pilot making $100k/yr got an additional $22,500 from the company put into their retirement account. A JB pilot who made $100k in 2010 got $5,000 put into his retirement account (another $5,000 IF the pilot put in $5,000) of his own money. That Alaska pilot got more than 100% more put into his retirement fund than the JB pilot got. Still think you are only 3% behind average? The company wants to believe that you're only 3% behind because that doesn't sound so bad now does it? The truth is that we are much worse off.

GP

 

[Fins Up]

if things are so bad you can always leave. unfortunately, losers like you come with their tongues watering and then stay on and moan and groan about how the world has done them wrong. Every B6 pilot has had an option not to sign the PEA or not to renew. If you really want to take a stand lets see you do that.

Many of us, myself included, did not sign the latest pea amendment. Signing or not signing doesn't fix our retirement, LOL/LTD, etc problems.

 

[shon7]

Wow!
When I was hired I was told that PAY AND BENEFITS would be at Southwest -2%. I was OK with that. The FACT is that we are nowhere near Southwest in ANY category...pay, work rules, retirement, insurance, LTD...GP

the FACT is that the market has changed DRASTICALLY in the last 8 years. Of course guys like you couldnt care less since it goes against the very entitlement mentality at the core of your being.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Christ, I pray you don't fly for us....

 

[pilotyip]

Is anyone happy to have one of the higher paid jobs in the US? with more days off than almost any job in the US? and the ability to go home and not have to take the job home with you. Is everyone really that unhappy?

 

[J32driver]

the FACT is that the market has changed DRASTICALLY in the last 8 years. Of course guys like you couldnt care less since it goes against the very entitlement mentality at the core of your being.

I've got a six pack that says this clown is furloughed Eastie who is now a Forest Hills cubicle dweller.

 

[tomgoodman]

Is everyone really that unhappy?

Probably not, but remember the old pilot axiom: "Never admit you have a good deal, or someone might bid in above you."

 

[shon7]

I've got a six pack that says this clown is furloughed Eastie who is now a Forest Hills cubicle dweller.

wow. thats one great comeback. Of course i would not expect more of an affirmative action welfare monger who flew a bunch of regional jets (supposedly)