JetBlue: Below average and it's going to stay that way.

[Lake Alice]

 

[linepilot]

Oh dear. What a pity. Nevermind.

You took a risk by joining a startup airline and were aware of that. If the insurance issue was that important you should have insisted on a written commitment.

By the way, here's how you would have fared if you didnt join B6 (assuming you're not one of the regional pilots and not some disgruntled flight attendant posing as a pilot)

UAL - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits
NWA - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits
DAL- paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits
US Air/ America West - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits but a place in the greatest show on earth
CAL - you'd have been a moron to leave
AMR - paycut, loss of pension & loss of benefits (coming soon)
LUV - you'd have been a moron to leave

So in case you didn't hear me the first time around:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT -- LEAVE.

Negative Ghost Rider!

There's still so much work to do.

What you need to do is take the whining, the complaining,
and the deteriorating NPS scores and put them in your little
pipe and smoke it.

Sowing and reaping. Reaping and sowing.

Please enjoy!

 

[J32driver]

wow. thats one great comeback. Of course i would not expect more of an affirmative action welfare monger who flew a bunch of regional jets (supposedly)

:laugh: I stand by my wager. There is only 1 group of pilots in this country that can produce a pilot as brain damaged as you. If I'm wrong... it is because you are a management or Ford and Harrison plant sent here to stir up fertilizer.

 

[accinelli]

I usually dont post on this board but have to agree with the poster about constantly moaning and complaining. There are better things to do out there than flying. Getting out of the industry is one of the best things people can do in terms of better pay & happiness.

As for comparing Jetblue with Legacy pay rates - thats incorrect as both have very different cost bases and business models. Its like working at a budget hotel and asked to be paid at Four Seasons rates.

 

[Blue Dude]

Its like working at a budget hotel and asked to be paid at Four Seasons rates.

What happens when the budget hotel consistently outperforms the Four Seasons, but still cries poor?

 

[shon7]

What happens when the budget hotel consistently outperforms the Four Seasons, but still cries poor?

Outperform! Wow. Thats some strong stuff you're smoking.

A good cost base cannot be eroded to pacify the entitlement seekers. Chrysler and GM did and see what happened.

 

[J32driver]

Outperform! Wow. Thats some strong stuff you're smoking.

A good cost base cannot be eroded to pacify the entitlement seekers. Chrysler and GM did and see what happened.

Average.

They promised LUV -2%. They wouldn't do it. They promised us "average". They won't do it. Pay average, but delivered 6-12 months late every year. Retirement, way below average. Health Care, absolutely the highest cost to the employee in the industry. STD/LTD, hope you enjoy those COBRA payments. If you go out any lower than line holder 320 Captain, you stand a VERY real chance of losing your savings, your credit rating, your retirement, and ultimately your house. Loss of License... we don't have it. Anyone who says we do is uninformed or lying. Vacation/PTO accrual, significantly less than average.

We have been fighting to gain our promised "Average" compensation package.

Shon7, does begging for "average" sound like "entitlement" to you?

 

[pilotyip]

I usually dont post on this board but have to agree with the poster about constantly moaning and complaining. There are better things to do out there than flying. Getting out of the industry is one of the best things people can do in terms of better pay & happiness.

As for comparing Jetblue with Legacy pay rates - thats incorrect as both have very different cost bases and business models. Its like working at a budget hotel and asked to be paid at Four Seasons rates.

thank you, nice touch. Life is too short do this much unhappiness

 

[J32driver]

When I first came to motherblue, pay was low but the schedules made it tolerable. My average schedule the first three years was 17 days off, 85-90 hours of pay, always commutable on either the front or back and sometimes on both. You can overlook a lot when you are banking 17 days off every month.

JetBlue lost this pilot group when some over zealous, boot licking, jackholes took a can of gas and a match to those schedules. 12-13 days off to get 78 hours is the norm now. Now we have a hole lot of free time sitting in hotels to get on web boards and complain.

 

[jamiestrat]

When I first came to motherblue, pay was low but the schedules made it tolerable. My average schedule the first three years was 17 days off, 85-90 hours of pay, always commutable on either the front or back and sometimes on both. You can overlook a lot when you are banking 17 days off every month.

JetBlue lost this pilot group when some over zealous, boot licking, jackholes took a can of gas and a match to those schedules. 12-13 days off to get 78 hours is the norm now. Now we have a hole lot of free time sitting in hotels to get on web boards and complain.

Looking at the category lines for April, there were only a couple of line holders who had 13 days off. I would say the average was 15 days off between 80-85 of credit. What base and position are you looking at?

 

[GuppyPuppy]

the FACT is that the market has changed DRASTICALLY in the last 8 years. Of course guys like you couldnt care less since it goes against the very entitlement mentality at the core of your being.

Entitlement mentality?

I am a professional airline pilot who cares for his crew and his customers. I care about operating the aircraft in a safe and efficient manner.

I expect that an employer would recognize this and compensate me accordingly. I'm not even asking for industry leading compensation, all I'm asking for is what the company told me to expect. This company expects me to go above and beyond on a regular basis. The JB pilot group is the most productive pilot group in the industry (reference the M.I.T. report from 2010). Yet, we are compensated (pay, benefits, work rules, retirement) below average. This is a fact.

I expect to be compensated as a professional. If the company can't do that then they'll actually get what they pay for and it will hurt them in the long run.

GP

 

[J32driver]

Looking at the category lines for April, there were only a couple of line holders who had 13 days off. I would say the average was 15 days off between 80-85 of credit. What base and position are you looking at?

This month. How's it been for the last 2 years on a whole? If you've been here longer then that... you know the answer. If you've been here shorter than that... you have no idea what we've lost.

 

[StarChecker]

As for comparing Jetblue with Legacy pay rates - thats incorrect as both have very different cost bases and business models. Its like working at a budget hotel and asked to be paid at Four Seasons rates.

But comparing JetBlue with Legacy rates is precisely what JetBlue agreed to do. Here we are...still waiting for it. And what are we waiting for? Industry leading? Oh no....just average. It's all we've ever asked for and we're still waiting.

JetBlue Pilots...fighting for mediocrity since 2000.

 

[shon7]

Entitlement mentality?

I am a professional airline pilot who cares for his crew and his customers. I care about operating the aircraft in a safe and efficient manner.

I expect that an employer would recognize this and compensate me accordingly. I'm not even asking for industry leading compensation, all I'm asking for is what the company told me to expect.

GP

So is every other regional pilot, fractional pilot and CFI.

By the way Obama told you to expect an economic recovery and a thriving America where corporate greed would no longer be tolerated.
How's that working out?

 

[shon7]

But comparing JetBlue with Legacy rates is precisely what JetBlue agreed to do. Here we are...still waiting for it. And what are we waiting for? Industry leading? Oh no....just average. It's all we've ever asked for and we're still waiting.

JetBlue Pilots...fighting for mediocrity since 2000.

Jetblue has changed in case you didnt notice. The founder is gone, the market has changed and there is a new management team in place.

Deal with it or move on.

 

[Lake Alice]

Jetblue has changed in case you didnt notice. The founder is gone, the market has changed and there is a new management team in place.

Deal with it or move on.

Yet still fighting for mediocracy since 2000.

The management team has changed yet the mentality has not. The leadership bonuses have increases yet the pilot budget has not. The charts don't lie. Try reading them sometime shon7.

 

[linepilot]

Jetblue has changed in case you didnt notice. The founder is gone, the market has changed and there is a new management team in place.

Deal with it or move on.

How about NO?

Maybe jetblew should adapt to the realities of pilot pay and benefits.

The yearly CHANGE at jetblew is exactly WHY pilots need a contract.

Deal with THAT you little toad.

 

[B6Busdriver]

JetBlue:

Pay-decent
STD-expensive
LTD-abysmal
Quality of medical-horrid
Cost of medical-exorbitant
Medical on LTD-atrocious
Retirement-sub par
Vacation/sick time-mediocre
Merger protection-abominable
Scope-inadequate

Pilot group-apathetic!

 

[J32driver]

Deal with it or move on.

Oh... we are dealing with it. It will take years, but make no mistake, we are dealing with it!

 

[filejw]

When I first came to motherblue, pay was low but the schedules made it tolerable. My average schedule the first three years was 17 days off, 85-90 hours of pay, always commutable on either the front or back and sometimes on both. You can overlook a lot when you are banking 17 days off every month.

JetBlue lost this pilot group when some over zealous, boot licking, jackholes took a can of gas and a match to those schedules. 12-13 days off to get 78 hours is the norm now. Now we have a hole lot of free time sitting in hotels to get on web boards and complain.

That free time statement is more than you think. Ever see a SWA schedule, they don't have time to bitch. 3 day trips worth 20 hrs with 15 hr layovers so you have time for a beer and dinner and that's it. No 3hrs sits for sure. I think the management theory is work them to death and send them home and of course a nice pay check.