JETBLUE Anti-union tactics

[Splert]

Sigh... You're right Splert. I forgot that you know everything. There's a reason you're on my ignore list, and will remain there.

Less limited that a line pilot is not the same as unlimited. I've been an office guy before. There are limits. Lots of them. There are benefits to being in the office, and there are benefits to being on line. Generally...the line is better, in my opinion. I worked in Safety to make a difference, not because the schedule was better, or even the pay for that matter.

The biggest downside to office work is the constant communication, and expectation that you're available 24/7. There's never any downtime. When your flight is over, you can turn your phone off and forget about work for a few days. For an office guy, that isn't the case. Ever. Even on vacation. It gets REALLY old.

My point isn't that line is better or office is better, but when you suggest that office guys don't have limits or that it's all roses, that's BS, and it shows how little you know and understand about how things work.

I do know and only comment about what i do know unlike you that comment about everything.

I said 'schedule flexibility. Unlimited ability to FLEX their schedules.

I have seen it. Witnessed it and it occurs at this place, not your other place, daily. You are on 3 year shutter lag and then you try to add words: "you suggest ... it's all roses" as if I said posted that.

I didn't. You did and you also took me off your ignore list too to see what I posted.

I suggest you put me back on it since you can't handle the reality of Jetblue vs your other place.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Ah...the sound of silence. If we all ignore him, none of us will have to endure his stupidity anymore.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

My phone in no way works let alone is on during vacation. If your phone works during vacation you should take a better vacation.

Yeah. Well. That's often difficult with many jobs, not just office jobs at an airline.

My point was that pilots often think that an office gig is something to be jealous of, and it isn't. It's hard work with less schedule flexibility. I've worked on a project at JetBlue in the office (last year). It was fine, and I was happy to help, but I was VERY ready to go back to the line. I prefer being off when I'm off. That's why most of us became pilots in the first place!

Comparing an office gig to flying the line is comparing apples and oranges. They aren't anything alike, and each has upside and downside.

 

[Splert]

Ah...the sound of silence. If we all ignore him, none of us will have to endure his stupidity anymore.

If curling up in the corner of this virtual crew room in the fetal position helps you feel better about yourself; then do it.

However, see ya in a few!

 

[Beetle007]

Comparing an office gig to flying the line is comparing apples and oranges.

Apples and Oranges are both a fruit. I never understand why people have a hard time comparing them.

 

[Fins Up]

Apples and Oranges are both a fruit. I never understand why people have a hard time comparing them.

Oranges are citrus. Apples are pomaceous fruits and members of the rose family. Completely different. (Of course I knew that without looking it up on the internet.)

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Apples and Oranges are both a fruit. I never understand why people have a hard time comparing them.

I hear ya. Both are jobs...but that's where the similarities end. Most of us became pilots because we don't want a 9-5 job, so I'm not sure why there's so much jealousy of the guys who do like office gigs. Let them have those office hours, and office emails, and office headaches.

Sure, there are some "perks" but those perks do not make up for the loss of schedule flexibility and level of availability necessary to function in the office environment.

 

[Splert]

I hear ya. Both are jobs...but that's where the similarities end. Most of us became pilots because we don't want a 9-5 job, so I'm not sure why there's so much jealousy of the guys who do like office gigs. Let them have those office hours, and office emails, and office headaches.

Sure, there are some "perks" but those perks do not make up for the loss of schedule flexibility and level of availability necessary to function in the office environment.

Project pilots and committee pilots have less schedule flexibility than a line pilot?

The "5 day work week" is a positive space commute in on Tuesday and home on Thursday night and work at home on Friday.

You really have zero clue how it works in FSC/LSC.

Boldly ignorant is not a good combo.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Hello darkness my old friend....

 

[Splert]

Hello darkness my old friend....

Do yourself a favor and don't look at FI.com before your ADHD medicine kicks in and then you might be able to control the impulse to post about an ignored post ... but I doubt it.

Breath deep ... and ignore.

Breath deep ... and ignore.

Breath deep ... and ignore.

 

[B6Driver]

Great idea, try it some time.:beer:

 

[Dizel8]

One: I wasn't aware that one could be forced to do office work, so clearly that is a choice one makes deliberately.

Two: "Give up!" That is a most silly concept, since we are so far behind average in all areas that there is nothing to "give up". Tell you what though, we get true industry average pay, health care, retirement, vacation allotment, vacation policy, sick bank, trip rigs, duty rigs, scope, etc.,etc., then I'll happily give up PTO at premium!

 

[ASA_Aviator]

One: I wasn't aware that one could be forced to do office work, so clearly that is a choice one makes deliberately.

Two: "Give up!" That is a most silly concept, since we are so far behind average in all areas that there is nothing to "give up". Tell you what though, we get true industry average pay, health care, retirement, vacation allotment, vacation policy, sick bank, trip rigs, duty rigs, scope, etc.,etc., then I'll happily give up PTO at premium!

Obviously it is a choice, and some are more inclined to make that choice. I have no problem with those who DO make that choice. It just seems odd to me that people would complain about the office guys, given that most line pilots would be absolutely miserable in that job. That was my point. Splert is an idiot, and cannot understand that (Which is probably why he is jealous of office guys. They are doing something he isn't capable of doing.)

I'm not sure what you're talking about with the second part. It must not be in reference to one of my posts.

 

[ChuckDriver]

How much is APLA short term disability insurance? I hear that it can be expensive.

 

[ClrdForOption]

The biggest downside to office work is the constant communication, and expectation that you're available 24/7. There's never any downtime. When your flight is over, you can turn your phone off and forget about work for a few days. For an office guy, that isn't the case. Ever. Even on vacation. It gets REALLY old.

My point isn't that line is better or office is better, but when you suggest that office guys don't have limits or that it's all roses, that's BS, and it shows how little you know and understand about how things work.

Exactly just like the first meltdown of 2014 - with the B6 CEO. We heard from him every hour right with uplifting messages of hope that we will endure the snowstorm while everyone was safely delivered to their hotel rooms.

 

[$$$4nothin]

How much is APLA short term disability insurance? I hear that it can be expensive.

That's why it is additional STD insurance. If you feel it is worth it to you then buy it. If you don't, then don't buy it. What is great though is with ALPA is you have the choice and option to have more insurance.

 

[B6Busdriver]

How much is APLA short term disability insurance? I hear that it can be expensive.

JetBlue's STD is exorbitant. Last year the premium increased 50% with no notice. The ALPA carriers I worked for there was no STD, just disability.

 

[Splert]

Obviously it is a choice, and some are more inclined to make that choice. I have no problem with those who DO make that choice. It just seems odd to me that people would complain about the office guys, given that most line pilots would be absolutely miserable in that job. That was my point. Splert is an idiot, and cannot understand that (Which is probably why he is jealous of office guys. They are doing something he isn't capable of doing.)

I'm not sure what you're talking about with the second part. It must not be in reference to one of my posts.

First you ignore me.

Then you can't stop talking about me.

What is this a man crush? Believe me, you are not my flavor. Just move on little boy blue.

 

[Splert]

Chuck,

Company provided STD should only be for new hires who haven't accured enough sick time to bridge LTD waiting periods. The solution isn't more STD it is better accrual, emergency accrual and max banking limits.

 

[Blue Dude]

Company provided STD should only be for new hires who haven't accured enough sick time to bridge LTD waiting periods. The solution isn't more STD it is better accrual, emergency accrual and max banking limits.

This. With a healthy sick bank balance, an STD policy shouldn't even be necessary. Available for those with low balances yes, but that currently describes everybody.

 

[Splert]

STD is a blue jet con. Remember the the PCG report. It mocked ALPA carriers for not providing STD plan to its employees. Well these pilot groups, NWA for instance, had 1200 hour sick banks and LTD plan will a 30 day elimination period.

Why would they need a STD?

Another jetblue fact missing.

 

[ChuckDriver]

I just wanted to know what it costs, because I may need it. Just wanted to get a simple dollar amount, not a lecture. Can anyone give me the simple dollar amount??

 

[Splert]

Download brochure.

Page 8

http://memberinsurance.alpa.org/DisabilityInsurance/tabid/7432/Default.aspx

 

[Blue Dude]

I just wanted to know what it costs, because I may need it. Just wanted to get a simple dollar amount, not a lecture. Can anyone give me the simple dollar amount??

You have to apply a formula since it's based on your earnings, so a simple dollar figure isn't available. And they adjust the premiums periodically (more often than yearly) to match your coverage with your actual earnings. The premium ends up being something like 0.75% to 1% of your gross earnings, though, so it ain't cheap.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I just wanted to know what it costs, because I may need it. Just wanted to get a simple dollar amount, not a lecture. Can anyone give me the simple dollar amount??

After a quick review of your previous posts it's clear you like to argue against representation. It's been explained to you clearly but you seem to be looking for ways to undermine the vote.

 

[ChuckDriver]

And you like to argue for it. Is our right to isn't it?

 

[B6Busdriver]

And you like to argue for it. Is our right to isn't it?

It's the passive aggressive bomb throwing that I don't like. It's quite obvious where I stand when I post. You however throw out subjects that are refuted and then you don't respond. Most responses have been factual, often times providing great information. Tell us, be honest, why do you support the DR?

 

[B6Driver]

Everybody gets to vote once as they see fit.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Everybody gets to vote once as they see fit.

Really? I got two ballots.

 

[B6Driver]

Please don't say foolish things. Are you asking for a revote due to possible impropriety?