jetBlue and the 50 seat RJ

[GuppyPuppy]

Have you ever flown a Global Express? Not only can my aircraft outperform yours, but I am paid better than you even on a part-time basis. Plus, couldn't you detect some of my sarcasm? It's true that your E190 rates SUCK and you know it.

BFD

GP

 

[On Your Six]

BFD

GP

BFD - I guess you don't think the E190 rates are too low. Thank God you have been playing the lotto... Plus, I wouldn't expect for you to understand high performance with your background.

 

[SUNDOWN]

Have you ever flown a Global Express? Not only can my aircraft outperform yours, but I am paid better than you even on a part-time basis. Plus, couldn't you detect some of my sarcasm? It's true that your E190 rates SUCK and you know it.

Dude calm down, I am sure your airplane is very fast and flies very high. If you are paid that much on a part time basis, be happy that you are so fortunate. I can guarantee some of your furloughed brothers are not.

 

[On Your Six]

Dude calm down, I am sure your airplane is very fast and flies very high. If you are paid that much on a part time basis, be happy that you are so fortunate. I can guarantee some of your furloughed brothers are not.

No problem. I get a little aggrevated when people make light of my part-time status (I fill in here and there but I got a type out of it and good benefits). It's actually a great gig and a fantastic airplane. I have a number of opportunities that I am looking at and I am hoping that Fedex and UPS give me a call at some point soon - like everyone else.

Still, I am not a big fan of the E190 rates at JetBlue and I bring those up because I honestly believe that the bar has been permanently lowered as a result.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

BFD - I guess you don't think the E190 rates are too low. Thank God you have been playing the lotto... Plus, I wouldn't expect for you to understand high performance with your background.

I should have truncated the quote you made...

BFD in reference to your comment "My airplane can outperform yours,...".

Well, my tallywhacker can outperform yours. Face it... I am better than you!

Chill out, dude.

GP

 

[GuppyPuppy]

No problem. I get a little aggrevated when people make light of my part-time status (I am the third wheel in a two-person department - I fill in here and there but I got a type out of it and full benefits). It's actually a great gig and a fantastic airplane. I have a number of opportunities that I am looking at and I am hoping that Fedex and UPS give me a call at some point soon - like everyone else.

Still, I am not a big fan of the E190 rates at JetBlue and I bring those up because I honestly believe that the bar has been permanently lowered as a result.

If you have such a great gig and a fantastic airplane why would you care about the E190 rates at JB? Maybe some of your buddies are in the passenger side of the industry and you are concerned.

You are correct about the rates on the 190. They stink. However, I seem to remember when JB started flying that their 320 rates were in the toilet. They have been raised dramatically since then and I am hoping for the same with the 190 once all the kinks have been worked out.

Too bad you are looking to go to FedEx or UPS. All of those airplanes they fly are severely inferior to the aircraft you currently fly.

Cheers!

GP

 

[On Your Six]

Too bad you are looking to go to FedEx or UPS. All of those airplanes they fly are severely inferior to the aircraft you currently fly.

Cheers!

GP[/QUOTE]

So true... I guess I could always do contract work on the side...

 

[GuppyPuppy]

... Plus, I wouldn't expect for you to understand high performance with your background.

Well.....there was this Las Vegas showgirl I dated for a while....nevermind.

With a background like yours I would expect you to be a bit more professional.

Cheers!

GP

 

[seefive]

DDD,

Unions do have their problems and downside. However your examples are issues that resulted from bankruptcy or near there (TWA). The unions have very little power at that point. At least UAL/Delta/USAir had it good for awhile due in no small part to their unions.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

DDD,

At least UAL/Delta/USAir had it good for awhile due in no small part to their unions.

I will give you that. You will, however, have to agree that when the going got really tough, little or nothing was done. I can tell you that from my own experience. I might as well have take two percent from my pay and given it to a monkey.

 

[8vATE]

No problem. I get a little aggrevated when people make light of my part-time status (I fill in here and there but I got a type out of it and good benefits). It's actually a great gig and a fantastic airplane. I have a number of opportunities that I am looking at and I am hoping that Fedex and UPS give me a call at some point soon - like everyone else.

Still, I am not a big fan of the E190 rates at JetBlue and I bring those up because I honestly believe that the bar has been permanently lowered as a result.

yea....

And I get aggravated when a military puke with 4,000 hours thinks he knows the solution for the plight of the airline industry..

And points a finger at a pilot group with 70 airplanes and NO EMB-190s that have even turned a wheel yet..

Mr. B-1... why don't you go fly for someone in mother russia...?

this is the United States...

its called capitalism.. free markets.... supply and demand ....

the world has changed...

yes... it would be great if we all made more money..

but why don't you look up how "profitable" this industry has been since inception...? Why don't you study the industry before spouting off?

"but I get aggravated when people make light of my part time status"..

blah.. blah.. blah..

your airplane rocks man... the global kicks ass...

GREAT... gives you wood like the F15 and B1..

now wake up..

quit crying..

Freight is where the money is...

Go for it...
I've got that shirt too....

 

[8vATE]

DDD,

Unions do have their problems and downside. However your examples are issues that resulted from bankruptcy or near there (TWA). The unions have very little power at that point. At least UAL/Delta/USAir had it good for awhile due in no small part to their unions.

Yes...

The gravy rolled in there for years...
Esp. DAL and UAL... not so much for USAirways with its rockier road..

Unions can be great "insurance"... esp. medical, legal and safety resources...

But the confrontational relationship with management is a real problem..
This rests squarely on the shoulders of a company's management for sure...

But when things get rough.... there are so many personalities and so much politics in a union.... they are completely ineffective with dealing with reality...

except for SWAPA... which seems to have done fairly well... but it took them 30 years....

 

[seefive]

DDD,
I agree that there are times when unions don't do all that they can. However, when the tough times started, they are impossibly limited by what they could control. Bankruptcy court imposes there own will. Sometimes it is better to take a big cut through negotiation than an even bigger one through an imposed court contract.
For example, Delta took their lumps recently but under the best terms they could hope for. Not perfect.......but not as bad as it could be too. On another note with Delta, their union brought pilots back much earlier from furlough through the enforcement of their contract. This was and is huge for those individuals. Many will get 3 months back pay as the arbitrator ruled the company's actions were outside of the contract as well. (By the way, I don't fly for Delta). Try getting that without the union.
Bottom line for me is, in today's environment, most corporate leadership is out to line their own pockets first and then they worry about profits and shareholder wealth (which benefits themselves). Labor is one area they have to deal with along the way. The unions aren't always effective but the whole is much more powerful than the individual. There are politics, some corruption, and under-the-table motivations within the union too. These are frustrating. Personal agendas are something we live with in every aspect of our lives. Unfortunately.

 

[seefive]

Why are some people so envious of the military guy ("puke") with fewer hours that gets hired over an 8000 hour civilian. Both are undoubtedly qualified for an airline job.

The military provided the best flight training in the world with a broad base of experience to include low level flying, dirt airstrip landings, air refueling, international operations into remote locations, tactical certifications, etc. This flying experience was fun and invaluable as a pilot. The military trains daily with local flights getting pilots multiple landings, simulated engine out approaches in the aircraft, and various actual instrument approaches. The airlines recognize this experience and training and in many cases target these individuals for hire. All have four year degrees and most have master's degree. All that really shows is a desire to achieve but that is worth something and the airlines recognize that too.

To think that these same military guys don't know much about the airline industry or the economic environment is naive as well.

The last time i checked, the military was an all voluntary force and everyone had/has the opportunity to seek out that pilot slot in the Air Force, Marines, Navy, CG, etc. It's an amazing experience.

 

[MoGambo]

Diamond Twins,

"I might as well have take two percent from my pay and given it to a monkey."


you did, his name was Du-wayne !

 

[DIAMONDDD]

DDD,
Bankruptcy court imposes there own will. Sometimes it is better to take a big cut through negotiation than an even bigger one through an imposed court contract.

Just because the union gave once, doesn't mean the company still won't come back for more, and again, and again, and again....all the while threatening BK. Death by a thousand cuts. And there is no guarantee that the company won't go into BK anyway.

Look, I realize that unions are a necessity at places like UAL, USA, DAL, AA, etc...
Those management teams can be real dirt bags and would line their own pockets with labor's money in a heartbeat.
They may even be a necessity at B6 eventually. But right now, with this management team, it doesn't appear to be an absolute must. If it was, there would be union voted in. But for those that want to sit on the outside and point at B6 without a union as the reason for everyone's ailment is just B.S. I am merely pointing out to those individuals that even when I had a union, it didn't do squat for me. I never had to use the medical, legal benefits (good stuff by the way) and the work rules were no better than the ones I am experiencing at B6. PLUS, they just waved goodbye when I needed them most.

Two sets of footprints in the sand when the going was good....one during the most difficult times. "Where were you union?" Did you carry me, is that why there is only one set?"

"Nah, we were in D.C. lobbying for LAHSO and getting our pictures taken."

 

[On Your Six]

yea....

And I get aggravated when a military puke with 4,000 hours thinks he knows the solution for the plight of the airline industry..

And points a finger at a pilot group with 70 airplanes and NO EMB-190s that have even turned a wheel yet..

Mr. B-1... why don't you go fly for someone in mother russia...?

this is the United States...

its called capitalism.. free markets.... supply and demand ....

the world has changed...

yes... it would be great if we all made more money..

but why don't you look up how "profitable" this industry has been since inception...? Why don't you study the industry before spouting off?

"but I get aggravated when people make light of my part time status"..

blah.. blah.. blah..

your airplane rocks man... the global kicks ass...

GREAT... gives you wood like the F15 and B1..

now wake up..

quit crying..

Freight is where the money is...

Go for it...
I've got that shirt too....

Ha Ha Ha. Are you guys reading this? Hilarious! By the way, your E190 rates SUCK and you know it. Have a great day.

 

[FDJ2]

But right now, with this management team, it doesn't appear to be an absolute must. If it was, there would be union voted in.

I hope you don't mind me highlighting the qualifiers in your statement.

Just a thought, but "right now" and "this management team" aren't forever, and in all likelihood these snap shot circumstances will change and when they do, and they will, it is far better to have contract in hand at the time then to be starting from scratch playing catch up. Unions weren't created in a vacuum and while you may think that your management team is the second coming, you may also want to consider that they may not be. Again, that's just something to consider.

 

[seefive]

DDD,
Certainly understand your experience with your union. I see some things that i don't like too. But, they back every pilot the company is trying to screw and have gotten their jobs back for them following unwarranted termination (have seen this many, many times). They negiotiated a contract, good or bad, and do everything to enforce it. Their big picture is in line with mine although the detailed priorities are not always. That being said, i do think they are very necessary.

I hope management treats you well at JB. My guess is that it is only a matter of time. SWA pilots obviously needed one. So did their FAs. No offense intended, just my educated guess. Time will tell. Best wishes either way.

 

[B-atch]

Is this board Controlled by the JB jockeys?.....It seems that everytime someone questions JB wisdom, there is a rash of attacks and pitifull self justification coming from the group.....Wy don't you folks(JB people) listen to advise from others...Wether its good advise or not, you can learn from all that is being said.....You know there are SMARTER people out there than you'r selves.....

Capt. JB 50 seat pay $17/hr
F/O JB 50 seat pay... Can of tuna and saltine crackers....If you want a can opener....3 hrs. overtime required