jetBlue and the 50 seat RJ

[wndshr]

this thread and all JB threads are so amusing!


last time i was at work i did an informal survey....you know...just like the ones before the presidential elections this year!

it absolutely amazed me what the findings of this survey were.

here was the question: "mr. capt/fo/fa.....do you care what the rest of the industry thinks about you or Jetblue?"

Answers:

a. i could give a rat's ar$e
b. abolutely NOT
c. not really
d. kind of
e. yes

Gallup Poll says..............................................

99% for answer A
1% for answer B

error +/- 0%

sorry guys...nobody at jetblue cares what you think! LOL

 

[8vATE]

Why are some people so envious of the military guy ("puke") with fewer hours that gets hired over an 8000 hour civilian. Both are undoubtedly qualified for an airline job.

The military provided the best flight training in the world with a broad base of experience to include low level flying, dirt airstrip landings, air refueling, international operations into remote locations, tactical certifications, etc. This flying experience was fun and invaluable as a pilot.

You answered your own question...

The fighter guys are clueless to 121 operations..

Op Specs, de-icing, CATIII... the list goes on and on..

MOST of the guys have good attitudes...
But some really don't think their fecal matter stinks...

Guess its just like anything else...
A few bad apples give the rest a bad name..

I'll never forget the Marine F-18 guy who didn't understand why DC-9s didn't have night vision...

It's called a landing light... On or Off..

we do have some good military guys here though...

 

[8vATE]

Ha Ha Ha. Are you guys reading this? Hilarious! By the way, your E190 rates SUCK and you know it. Have a great day.

Hey dude..

Your beeper is beeping..


time to go get ice for the Global...

 

[8vATE]

Is this board Controlled by the JB jockeys?.....Wether its good advise or not, you can learn from all that is being said.....You know there are SMARTER people out there than you'r selves.....

Yup...
You're right..


As evidenced by their company's business plans and relationship to management...

They are SOOOO smart..

Don't forget Beeetch...

Most of us at JB are on our 3rd, 4th or 5th airline....
Most have been ALPA...

We will watch how things turn out..

Ask us how things are in 3-5 years...

 

[B-atch]

Best of LUCK my friend.......

 

[B-atch]

Anti Unionism

Remember guys and girls at JB.... You can thank ALPA, APA, and others for the current work-rules and pay that you currently enjoy.. Wether you want to admit it or not, it was these unions who negotiated the industry standard wages and bennies of which you'r current Management used as templates.... Do you actually think that without the effort of unions your present conditions would be as they are...NOT...Pick up a history book and see for you'r selves...

Oh forgot....FAR crew flight time, duty time, and rest requirements...
Already we can see what JB is trying to do to the FAR's.....

 

[rptrain]

sorry guys...nobody at jetblue cares what you think! LOL

the rally cry of today's intellectually inop: i don't care what you think so you must not have a valid point. aka: the ostrich maneuver.

 

[BN2A]

I also heard that we are getting Colgan to fly SAAB's for us and that L.A.B. Flying Service from Haines, AK will be feeding us with Cherokee Sixes.


Cheers!

GP

*********************
Hey hey now...

Lay off Layton Bennett

Check your pms

 

[Purpledog]

The fighter guys are clueless to 121 operations..

Yeah it was soooooo hard to figure out. Let me see, takeoff, autopilot on, land, sleep. Almost as hard as landing on the boat at night, bad wx, on fumes, no diverts, after an 8 hour mission and 10k of ordnance dropped while people were shootin back. No comparison, but that's been beat up a thousand times. It seemed like the F18 driver might have been on to something since Alaska, FDX and others are contemplating putting HUDs in aircraft.

It seems like the pax industry is in a race to the bottom and their is a definite leader running you down the wrong trail. I just thank god I'm on the freight side and hopefully it won't infest our work rules. I really don't want to unload my plane after flying all night or have to fly 8+ without an RFO or have to work til I'm 70 or have to augment my retirement as a Walmart greeter or.....etc.

 

[8vATE]

Yeah it was soooooo hard to figure out. Let me see, takeoff, autopilot on, land, sleep. Almost as hard as landing on the boat at night, bad wx, on fumes, no diverts, after an 8 hour mission and 10k of ordnance dropped while people were shootin back. No comparison, but that's been beat up a thousand times.

I said we had some great military guys...


But you can't argue with the fact that a military guy with 2200 hours and NO 121 experience who shows up in ground school thinking he's GREAT is going to create a lot of heartburn with the commuter/cargo guy who has 8000 hours of JFK/EWR/LGA experience...

Believe me... it happens...

 

[8vATE]

Remember guys and girls at JB.... You can thank ALPA, APA, and others for the current work-rules and pay that you currently enjoy.. Wether you want to admit it or not, it was these unions who negotiated the industry standard wages and bennies of which you'r current Management used as templates.

yea...

captain woerth...
captain babbitt...(captain of what?)


woerth did a fast flip flop on the FFDO issue..

I still can't believe the money those guys pull down in Herndon...
and I love the BOD meetings at the most expensive hotels in Florida..

yes... they did a LOT of good..

but how about taking some credit for the state of the industry?
they've really been proactive and pro-viability of each company..

NOT..

let's squeeze that last golden egg out of the goose without killing it!!

 

[B-atch]

I'm sure Alpa had a LOT to do with 911, war in Iraq, SARS, price of oil, increase in security costs, etc,etc.etc. yadi-dah!!

 

[FDJ2]

I said we had some great military guys...


But you can't argue with the fact that a military guy with 2200 hours and NO 121 experience who shows up in ground school thinking he's GREAT is going to create a lot of heartburn with the commuter/cargo guy who has 8000 hours of JFK/EWR/LGA experience...

Believe me... it happens...

Jeez this argument goes back and forth. The military trained pilot has the advantage that he has a proven track record with successfully completing a high intensity training syllabus and he is a known commodity. As an example, by the time a student naval aviator has accumulated 200 hours he's not putzing around in a C150 or a more advanced aircraft such as a C 172(RG), but rather he has already flown jet aircraft on and off aircraft carriers. That's training! On the other hand, the civilian pilot can claim to have operated Part 121 after acquiring his commercial ticket, which is no real big deal, but he can log significant flight time in and out of high density airports. Good for him.

So who is the best candidate for the dream job? Well the answer is obvious, the military trained pilot with 121 experience.

 

[B-atch]

Admit the TRUTH....If the Major airlines were back in the black, JB would be struggling to hire/ retain people...Give me a break... You can sit back and pat you'r selves on the back for making a smart career move... The reality is " you guys are at JB because "NO ONE ELSE WOULD HIRE YOU"!!!!

How many folks bailed out of JB to go on with UA,AA,DA during the good times....A bunch!!

 

[FlyChicaga]

Military, civilian, who cares. As long as we don't end up in the weeds, it doesn't matter what the background is of the guy or gal in the other seat. What does matter is that he or she isn't a prick, they shower every morning, and don't embarass me. Can we get along for four days and have a good time doing this job?

You all go back and forth with this argument every week. The true colors of the guy or gal you're flying with come out when the day is done and your chillin' with a cold one at the bar. Then it doesn't really matter what their background is, does it?

 

[Dizel8]

"How many folks bailed out of JB to go on with UA,AA,DA during the good times....A bunch!!"

You got a source for this?

 

[Dizel8]

"You can thank ALPA, APA, and others for the current work-rules and pay that you currently enjoy.. Wether you want to admit it or not, it was these unions who negotiated the industry standard wages and bennies"

Hmmm, if I am not mistaken, I think you work for Polar and I think polar is union, so how come you get paid so little to jerk gear on the whale?

Heck, for a 74 pilot, you get paid squat! I mean, come on, $133 an hour for a 10th year Whale captain.

Maybe you should work on that, as opposed to bitching so darn much about jetwho!

 

[Purpledog]

But you can't argue with the fact that a military guy with 2200 hours and NO 121 experience who shows up in ground school thinking he's GREAT is going to create a lot of heartburn with the commuter/cargo guy

Anyone who shows up other than humble to have a new job is a fool. I have seen it the other way around as well just as often as the arrogant mil guy. Should the commuter/cargo guy whose watched the autopilot fly for 4000 hours be arrogant? Unfortunately our profession breeds arrogance despite background.

 

[B-atch]

Diezel8 wrote

Hmmm, if I am not mistaken, I think you work for Polar and I think polar is union, so how come you get paid so little to jerk gear on the whale?

Industry leading contracts are not negotiated in one swift stroke..It takes years of evolution and bargaining to come up with leading wages and bennies.....Polar is a relatively new Co. only 11 years old. The pilots and engineers here work under rules and wages negotiated during our first contract... If I may add, our quality of life contractual policy will guarantee a minimum of 14 days off per month.. Any days worked on days off are paid as a premium.

You are correct, our book rates are pitifull for the type of work that we do. But if you understood our contract and the duty rigs it contains, you would see that it has greater earning potential than many other's out there. We have 2nd year F/O's who have actualy broken 6 figures... And no, they have not Whored themselves....Next time that you care to make a presumption about another carrier's contract, please take the time to educate you'r self....

By the way... We are Hiring

 

[Dizel8]

B-atch says:"The reality is " you guys are at JB because "NO ONE ELSE WOULD HIRE YOU"!!!!"

So who turned you down so you ended up at Polar, man, you must be one sorry SOB, if all you can do is fly freight for a third rate outfit?

B-atch says: "Next time that you care to make a presumption about another carrier's contract, please take the time to educate you'r self...."

Sure, I'll do that, just after you buy a clue and educate yourself about jetwho!

"Polar is a relatively new Co. only 11 years old."

Heck, jetwho wasn't even a speckle in Neelemans brain eleven years ago. Just turned five, yet we match the mighty 74 drivers at Polar, sorry B-atch, you need to get with the program, you are dragging down the bar.

B-atch says:"It's the only logical explanation for such a CROCK#$#@^%$$#^$!!!"

B-atch says:"A new standard in AIRLINE CULTURE.. Whats next, INDENTURED SERVANTS??".

Now me, I think Polar is a great company, even put my app in there in my "freight days" and I have no doubt that working there can be a lot of fun, on the other hand, it is not the highest paid gig in the world, yet, I have never gone on record, like you have done and no doubt will continue to do,pointing out the "horrible conditions", that it's"simply unacceptable" and how you would rather be a garbage man, than work at jetblue.

See the problem here, B-atch!

As for hiring, no thanks, did my bit in the eight for a supplemental and while it was interesting, I think at jetblue offers a much superior quality of life.