Jetblue 5 year contract

[Capn Mike]

Capn Mike and others...

I read all of those links. They are so full of possible sarcasm and misinformation that I have not idea what the 5 year contract is about. This board is so full of condescending A55HOLES that even the experienced pilots sometimes can't understand what is truth or fiction.

Erlanger,

The 5 year contract is either a renewable thing that isn't a big deal OR,

The 5 year contract means you start over at 1st year FO pay every 5 years.

It's split 50/50 on which is the case in previous posts. Good luck with getting you simple questions answered on this board.

AWACoff

Yes there is lots of sarcasm on this board. We have plenty of people who have past their 5 year anniversary and no one is starting over at 1st year pay or being let go.

 

[blueskysalesman]

I'm not sure what everyone is getting so bent up about. Look at this 5yr renewable contract just the same as your ALPA negotiated contract. It is there for you. It spells out your benefits as an employee and helps to protect you. It is a little different than other carriers but JB is a non-union carrier and trying to stay that way. Do you think that they will be able to do that by taking advantage of their employees? For those of you who don't like it, don't apply. Otherwise, quit the disinformation pipeline and just worry about you and yours.

Just my opinion....take it or for what its worth

 

[Smoking Man]

I sense some bitterness/resentment, whatever you want to call it, in that sentence. And yes, I did notice the "LIE". Are things not so honky-dory at Jetblue? Anybody have regrets about signing that contract?

No regrets about the contract, the LIE was aimed in the direction of all who believe that ALPA is what is needed. I was at PSA and just ask any of those guys about the J4J program, slotted bidding, and now the J4J backfill program, and ask how good a job alpa has done for them. Alpa eats there young, and old also just ask any TWA pilot.

As far as things at jetBlue I would rather be here than anywhere else.

 

[GogglesPisano]

I hear you get your minimum guarantee for the duration of the contract if you're furloughed. Sounds like a pretty good deal considering what's been happening in the industry over the last 5 years.

 

[wndshr]

Capn Mike and others...

I read all of those links. They are so full of possible sarcasm and misinformation that I have not idea what the 5 year contract is about. This board is so full of condescending A55HOLES that even the experienced pilots sometimes can't understand what is truth or fiction.

Erlanger,

The 5 year contract is either a renewable thing that isn't a big deal OR,

The 5 year contract means you start over at 1st year FO pay every 5 years.

It's split 50/50 on which is the case in previous posts. Good luck with getting you simple questions answered on this board.

AWACoff

I swear I am right...you go back to right seat after the 5 years and start over. I was told this directly from a NWA CA...he was a whale driver too!

 

[Lake Alice]

If you don't like the 5 year contract then don't apply at B6. If you don't want to work for a union carrier don't apply there either.

If you honestly think you are making a difference in someones career choice by bashing B6, SWA, DAL or any other carrier for that matter on this board then your ego significantly surpasses your educational level.

 

[Booster]

Where is the horse it must be beaten AGAIN .....

 

[FlyAuburn]

If you don't like the 5 year contract then don't apply at B6. If you don't want to work for a union carrier don't apply there either.

If you honestly think you are making a difference in someones career choice by bashing B6, SWA, DAL or any other carrier for that matter on this board then your ego significantly surpasses your educational level.

Amen to that! Just don't apply. BTW, the furlough question is correct - it's included in the contract, we get paid for 5 years in the event of a furlough.

RJ,
please. Let me get this straight, now JB is bringing the industry down because of a 5 yr contract? You need help. Someone needs to hit you between the legs with a bat so that you don't reproduce.

 

[DX Jake]

... war eagle !!

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

If you don't like the 5 year contract then don't apply at B6. If you don't want to work for a union carrier don't apply there either.

I'll second that. Or third it

The alternative is no contract and be an at-will employee.

So far much better than the ALPA contract I had that said I wouldn't be furloughed.

 

[FlyAuburn]

... war eagle !!

War Eagle!

 

[Capn Mike]

I swear I am right...you go back to right seat after the 5 years and start over. I was told this directly from a NWA CA...he was a whale driver too!

Was he trying to sell you oceanfront property in Arizona as well???

What did he tell you about JetBlue paying for fuel?

 

[RJones]

RJ, please. Let me get this straight, now JB is bringing the industry down because of a 5 yr contract? You need help. Someone needs to hit you between the legs with a bat so that you don't reproduce.

FlyAuburn,

Unable to reproduce now ... and no, you need help. You never sign any contract as a condition of employment ... and yes, the bringing the industry down batan has been handed to those who have to re-apply for their job and get bumped back to F/O after five years... not at SWA, nor any other airline I can think of.

Someone needs to hit you between the eyes and knock some sense in ya.

RJ

 

[wndshr]

FlyAuburn,

Unable to reproduce now ... and no, you need help. You never sign any contract as a condition of employment ... and yes, the bringing the industry down batan has been handed to those who have to re-apply for their job and get bumped back to F/O after five years... not at SWA, nor any other airline I can think of.

Someone needs to hit you between the eyes and knock some sense in ya.

RJ

RJ...i want to know why you think re applying for a job after 5 years to allow a FO to upgrade is bad...after 5 years the CA has had a good run making some awesome cash...now it is the FO's turn...either re apply and go back to FO seat or find another job. this is the major reason morale is high at jetblue and nowhere else! it is great for the company too...it saves LOTS of money and that is good job security for the pilots.

 

[PCL_128]

I had asked a Jetblue jumpseater this same question and he too, got defensive and evasive with the answer.

Typical. I've asked a couple of JetBlue jumpseaters the same questions, and they always refuse to answer in a straightforward manner. Take a look at other JetBlue threads on this board. Anytime a JetBlue pilot says anything remotely pessimistic about the company, a hoard of JBlue pilots pile on telling them that "These things don't belong on a public board!" What exactly are the Blue-aid-drinking cultists trying to hide?

 

[Longhorn]

PCL_128....
Hey, you know me. If you wanted the information on the 5 year contract you could have emailed me or pm'd me. I know most of the guys that commute from MSP and DTW and they would all be happy to explain it. I think that maybe they are not quick to answer due to the fact that we get interrogated by guys on the jumpseat 95% of the time, and usually its by guys who have no idea what they are talking about since they base all their info off this website. JB is much better than PCL ever was. I do not regret the jump at all and would encourage anyone there to put their stuff in here. I would even help 99% of the guys there since I know most of them. For the last time, the 5 year contract is a non issue. It is simply a contract of work rules that protects both sides. It states what they can and cant do and vise versa. Spells out pay, time off, senority, upgrade, etc etc. It covers everything that the alpo contract would cover. Yes, there are some issues that can be worked on like the scheduling guide, although I get on average 15-17 days off with 85 hours so I am not bitching too much about it. When was the last time you got that at pcl as a middle of pack fo? I am not upset with you but you know that if you want info, or even a peek at the contract you could have just contacted me.

Sully

 

[Lake Alice]

Who is hiding something? The contract automaticaly renews itself. Spelled out in the contract are specific actions which can lead to dismissal as in a union/ALPA contract.
As for answering questions in a straight forward manner the party or parties involved most likely never read the agreement. Its simple to read, easy to understand and easier to discuss.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

Yeah, well, all of these answers are really informative. Thank you. Now on to the next question: I hear that JetBlue makes their pilots sign a five year contract. What is that all about?

 

[Longhorn]

Lol

 

[ASA Captain]

Just an outsider here, but I wonder what the effect of this 5 year contract is if you have an incident or accident. Are there clauses that give the company discretion?

While landing one day, the FO touches down an as he is bringing the nose down we both see a LARGE rock, on the centerline. Too late. We hit the small boulder and taxi to the gate after checking systems and controllability. Airport found the chunk of concrete and paid for the damage. This thing was at least 12"X12"X12". Would JetBlue have the right to terminate a pilot (or not renew the contract) because of some accidental damage?

Is there a digital copy of this document? Are there disclosure clauses that prevent anyone from posting a blank copy as a sticky note??