Jet University

[Vref+Factor]

let's bottom line it here fellas. If you have a job at an airline, ... great. If not, Jet university offers the quickest way to an airline without having to instruct. Let the stats speak for themselves. If you are a low timer, it's the greatest opportunity out there. Jet U is the only 121 jet internship in the country. If you don't like it, don't talk trash to the pilots who seek this route, talk to the airlines that hire them.

 

[The_Russian]

let's bottom line it here fellas. If you have a job at an airline, ... great. If not, Jet university offers the quickest way to an airline without having to instruct. Let the stats speak for themselves. If you are a low timer, it's the greatest opportunity out there. Jet U is the only 121 jet internship in the country. If you don't like it, don't talk trash to the pilots who seek this route, talk to the airlines that hire them.

Go flush your head down the toilet.

 

[User998]

let's bottom line it here fellas. If you have a job at an airline, ... great. If not, Jet university offers the quickest way to an airline without having to instruct.

Call it like it is, REGIONAL airlines, where you make less then $20 bucks an hour, and will most likely be seat-locked for years. All your doing is spending $35,000 to bypass instructing and go to the regionals. Big deal. Where's the payoff?

Why not just instruct for a year, GET PAID TO DO IT, and end up at the regionals anyways.

I get 250 hours in the right-seat of a dinosaur 727? How much real world flying are you going to be learning in that short period of time - keeping in mind you were a zero hour pilot a few months previous.

Regardless, it'll sure make you feel like a hotshot when you go from the right-seat of that, down into a Beech 1900. What a waste. I already feel sorry for the regional captains (who earned their seat the hard way) have to put up with a four day trip listening to their F/O's b1tch and moan about "727 this, 727 that" "This isn't how we did it on the 727...".

What domestic airlines fly the 727's now a days anyways - besides Champion?

 

[PA-44Typed]

Americjet, kitty hawk, ExpressNet, CAT, DHL(ameristar), FedX, Miami Air, Champion ………just a few 727 operators that come to mind!

 

[User998]

Americjet, kitty hawk, ExpressNet, CAT, DHL(ameristar), FedX, Miami Air, Champion ………just a few 727 operators that come to mind!

To clarify, I meant passenger airlines. I know the birds are big in the cargo world, but thats not what the JU training is about.

Champion and Miami Air I guess are the only two?

 

[PA-44Typed]

You forgot Falcon Air Express and Boston Maine (aka PAN AM). I think Tranmeridian might have parked all of theirs.

 

[The_Russian]

I get 250 hours in the right-seat of a dinosaur 727? How much real world flying are you going to be learning in that short period of time - keeping in mind you were a zero hour pilot a few months previous.

With all the automation today, I think it is better to get back to basics with newer pilots. Keeps them from gettin lazy! Also, define "real world experience". As far I know I didn't get any special experience flying as a CFI or at GIA that I would qualify as "real world experience" over the other. All the experiences I have culminate a possible "real world experience", if you will. If anything, a 727 or Be1900D "experience" would help to well-round a pilot in a positive way.

 

[The_Russian]

regional captains (who earned their seat the hard way)

Are you saying that I didn't earn Captain the hard way?

 

[The_Russian]

Why not just instruct for a year, GET PAID TO DO IT, and end up at the regionals anyways.

While I agree that in the "easy hire regional" world this does work. It didn't work after September 11. The only programs that were getting jobs were direct programs and ab initio. Up until late 2004, regionals werent even considering CFI's unless they had gobs of time or some turbine. Even now it is difficult and only very competent CFI's keep the training rates above 50%. Most pilots today, in my opinion, are of poor quality no matter what background.

BTW CFI CFII MEI cost between 10K and 15k. Not that big of a difference from the kind of cash some people spend to do direct programs. Especially when you add time as a factor. Which, for us, is a major factor in our careers.

 

[Vref+Factor]

Go flush your head down the toilet.

Ok, you win, ... I shall flush with pride, ..... In Flames May 30th - Revolution

 

[A Squared]

For anyone who cares, this information is inaccurate. (Take it from someone who ACTUALLY works here). CAT is bound by legal contract to fly their interns no less than 500 hrs. If they fly you 1 hour less, they are in breech (sic) of contract and will legally be held liable.

Right. They would be in breach of contract. That means that when they dick you over, you can get in line with all the other creditors at bankruptcy court, and try your luck at getting your money back from a bankrupt outfit with no assets.

Before you go advertising this you might ask a few of the stutents from ATA Airmans, Tab Express, etc, how well they did getting thier money back when there was a breach of contract.

 

[User998]

If anything, a 727 or Be1900D "experience" would help to well-round a pilot in a positive way.

I will agree with you on this. However, I don't think it'll round them out nearly enough to justify $35,000.

Are you saying that I didn't earn Captain the hard way?

Well it depends.

I vaguely remember you saying one time you were hired on as a street captain(??). If thats true, then yes I'd say you probably earned it the hard way - and I'd have some respect for you.

If you were a product of GIA, then no I'd say you didn't - and I have no respect for you. No need to go into thoughts on PFT - it's been covered hundreds of times before on here already. Notice the only guys who are going to bat for this Jet University program are the guys who are doing, or have already done PFT.

While I agree that in the "easy hire regional" world this does work. It didn't work after September 11. The only programs that were getting jobs were direct programs and ab initio. Up until late 2004, regionals werent even considering CFI's unless they had gobs of time or some turbine.

I'm going to have to call BS on this comment. Almost every CFI friend I've had since 2002 has gone onto the regionals well before late-2004, and with only the minimum flight times (no turbine, prior experience).

That statement sounds reminiscent of a marketing pitch of some PFT flight training, or flight academy. Where they assure you that the only way your going to get into the regionals at this point is to spend $80,000 with them because they got the hook up! Whatever dude.

 

[The_Russian]

I did attend GAA. But that doesn't mean I didn't earn my spot. I was intelligent enough to play my card right an win (so far) after all the times I lost in this industry. I did all my time instructing and pumping fuel for many years. I did my time as an FO and was offered a job. I earned it from previous service and doing a good job. I did not buy my job. I may have bought some training in a 1900, but not a job. I didn't even do the program to stay in the airlines. I was told to do it by a military contractor so they would hire me. As you can tell, they renigged on their deal. I earned my ATP just the same as anyone else. I do my time every day. I did my time today. I help people who want to learn about flying. There is no more of a rewarding job to me.

I dont need to explain my situation again. I dont really care what you think. Honestly, I have less respect for you for the way you talk about fellow pilots, than you have for me for going to GAA.

 

[The_Russian]

I will agree with you on this. However, I don't think it'll round them out nearly enough to justify $35,000.

Its not even 35,000. At least if you are gonna make fun of something please get your shat straight.

 

[The_Russian]

I'm going to have to call BS on this comment. Almost every CFI friend I've had since 2002 has gone onto the regionals well before late-2004, and with only the minimum flight times (no turbine, prior experience).

That statement sounds reminiscent of a marketing pitch of some PFT flight training, or flight academy. Where they assure you that the only way your going to get into the regionals at this point is to spend $80,000 with them because they got the hook up! Whatever dude.

What about me? I didn't get an offer. I tried every regional. (Except Horizon)

After I was permanent hire for about five months at GIA I tried to interview at Skywest for an FO position. This was at the first "open house" that they would be hiring at after 9/11. They kicked all the CFIs and pilots with no turbine time out of the room. 80 pilots went down to 40 in a heartbeat. So I was seeing it happen right in front of my eyes. Skywest turned out to be just as scumbaggish as the rest of the regionals.

(WTF is 19 dollars an hour for a CRJ pilot??? How can you guys call Gulfstreamers bad? Jesus, we make that much in the 1900.)

BTW, I don't have anything to sell. I have just seen how things work first hand. When all my students from the year before were flying jets, I started to think that I was doing something wrong. Then I did something about it. Now I am ready for when the Legacy's begin hiring.