Jet University

[A Squared]

For anyone who cares, this information is inaccurate. (Take it from someone who ACTUALLY works here). CAT is bound by legal contract to fly their interns no less than 500 hrs. If they fly you 1 hour less, they are in breech (sic) of contract and will legally be held liable.

Right. They would be in breach of contract. That means that when they dick you over, you can get in line with all the other creditors at bankruptcy court, and try your luck at getting your money back from a bankrupt outfit with no assets.

Before you go advertising this you might ask a few of the stutents from ATA Airmans, Tab Express, etc, how well they did getting thier money back when there was a breach of contract.

 

[User998]

If anything, a 727 or Be1900D "experience" would help to well-round a pilot in a positive way.

I will agree with you on this. However, I don't think it'll round them out nearly enough to justify $35,000.

Are you saying that I didn't earn Captain the hard way?

Well it depends.

I vaguely remember you saying one time you were hired on as a street captain(??). If thats true, then yes I'd say you probably earned it the hard way - and I'd have some respect for you.

If you were a product of GIA, then no I'd say you didn't - and I have no respect for you. No need to go into thoughts on PFT - it's been covered hundreds of times before on here already. Notice the only guys who are going to bat for this Jet University program are the guys who are doing, or have already done PFT.

While I agree that in the "easy hire regional" world this does work. It didn't work after September 11. The only programs that were getting jobs were direct programs and ab initio. Up until late 2004, regionals werent even considering CFI's unless they had gobs of time or some turbine.

I'm going to have to call BS on this comment. Almost every CFI friend I've had since 2002 has gone onto the regionals well before late-2004, and with only the minimum flight times (no turbine, prior experience).

That statement sounds reminiscent of a marketing pitch of some PFT flight training, or flight academy. Where they assure you that the only way your going to get into the regionals at this point is to spend $80,000 with them because they got the hook up! Whatever dude.

 

[The_Russian]

I did attend GAA. But that doesn't mean I didn't earn my spot. I was intelligent enough to play my card right an win (so far) after all the times I lost in this industry. I did all my time instructing and pumping fuel for many years. I did my time as an FO and was offered a job. I earned it from previous service and doing a good job. I did not buy my job. I may have bought some training in a 1900, but not a job. I didn't even do the program to stay in the airlines. I was told to do it by a military contractor so they would hire me. As you can tell, they renigged on their deal. I earned my ATP just the same as anyone else. I do my time every day. I did my time today. I help people who want to learn about flying. There is no more of a rewarding job to me.

I dont need to explain my situation again. I dont really care what you think. Honestly, I have less respect for you for the way you talk about fellow pilots, than you have for me for going to GAA.

 

[The_Russian]

I will agree with you on this. However, I don't think it'll round them out nearly enough to justify $35,000.

Its not even 35,000. At least if you are gonna make fun of something please get your shat straight.

 

[The_Russian]

I'm going to have to call BS on this comment. Almost every CFI friend I've had since 2002 has gone onto the regionals well before late-2004, and with only the minimum flight times (no turbine, prior experience).

That statement sounds reminiscent of a marketing pitch of some PFT flight training, or flight academy. Where they assure you that the only way your going to get into the regionals at this point is to spend $80,000 with them because they got the hook up! Whatever dude.

What about me? I didn't get an offer. I tried every regional. (Except Horizon)

After I was permanent hire for about five months at GIA I tried to interview at Skywest for an FO position. This was at the first "open house" that they would be hiring at after 9/11. They kicked all the CFIs and pilots with no turbine time out of the room. 80 pilots went down to 40 in a heartbeat. So I was seeing it happen right in front of my eyes. Skywest turned out to be just as scumbaggish as the rest of the regionals.

(WTF is 19 dollars an hour for a CRJ pilot??? How can you guys call Gulfstreamers bad? Jesus, we make that much in the 1900.)

BTW, I don't have anything to sell. I have just seen how things work first hand. When all my students from the year before were flying jets, I started to think that I was doing something wrong. Then I did something about it. Now I am ready for when the Legacy's begin hiring.

 

[big_al]

didnt falcon air liquidate and isnt pan am on the brink of collapse each week?

Anyway, I wouldnt pay for time in the right seat. Unless it was 5k.

 

[User998]

I did all my time instructing and pumping fuel for many years. I did my time as an FO and was offered a job. I earned it from previous service and doing a good job.

And knowing that, I have a great deal of respect for you. The fact that you worked hard previously as an instructor, and lineman all those years is certainly paying your dues. My beef is with people who go there with zero hours and are looking for handouts and shortcuts to bypass paying their dues. I can understand why you'd go, already being an established pilot, looking to supplement your experience and oppurtunities.

What about me? I didn't get an offer. I tried every regional. (Except Horizon)

No disrepect meant towards you at all, but just because they didn't hire YOU during those periods, didn't mean they weren't hiring other flight instructors, or non-turbine experienced pilots. Granted Skywest didn't as you first-hand account showed, but thats one of over a dozen regionals actively hiring.

Which incidentally is confusing to me, because we had 3 instructors go to Skywest during that period who had only flown the 172's and Seminoles. Maybe perhaps it was your particular open house you went to - for whatever reason they were being overly picky?

I went to a Part 61 flight school, non flight academy for two years during that time period you mentioned, and we had around 10 flight instructors leave for various regionals. And another 6 went on to regionals from January 2004 to the end of the year. They couldn't keep instructors there.
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[de727ups]

"I did not buy my job. I may have bought some training in a 1900, but not a job."

Same thing. While you were doing your "training", you were paying to do a job.

 

[The_Russian]

"I did not buy my job. I may have bought some training in a 1900, but not a job."

Same thing. While you were doing your "training", you were paying to do a job.

Nobody asked for your opinion phony. Get a life and your private some day. Everyone knows you don't really work at UPS.

 

[A Squared]

I may have bought some training in a 1900, but not a job. .

PLease. Spare us the "I paid my dues" fantasy. You bought your job, in purest sense of the word.

 

[The_Russian]

PLease. Spare us the "I paid my dues" fantasy. You bought your job, in purest sense of the word.

Oh yeah. I forgot. I'm so sorry. I'll never bang your fat mom again.

 

[Almerick07]

The bottom line is if there werent people willing to shell out $35 large for "training" that company would be forced to actually hire a FO thus increasing the job market in our profession. I know someone personally who did the Alpine Air PFT, he did almost all the loading and unloading of cargo and after 10 months managed to log 100 hours. He was paying to perform a service and that was stupid on his part and unethical by the company. There is no way to justify PFT because it is keeping people like me out of a job that would otherwise be qualified for and unless you enjoy screwing our profession you would wise up and do it the right way.

 

[aussiefly]

Oh yeah. I forgot. I'm so sorry. I'll never bang your fat mom again.

Da Tieba Mika Ta

lol

 

[Ready2Fly]

Nobody asked for your opinion phony. Get a life and your private some day. Everyone knows you don't really work at UPS.

Maybe he does. He just can't pass a 757 type rating checkride the first time!

 

[de727ups]

"Nobody asked for your opinion phony. Get a life and your private some day. Everyone knows you don't really work at UPS"

Up to number 831 on the list, now.

"Maybe he does. He just can't pass a 757 type rating checkride the first time!"

HAHA. No regrets or hard feelings. See the post at Jetcareers (I guess you did).

All that aside, there's no reason not to give any PFJer a hard time when he comes up with some lame rationalization of what he did. Total BS...

 

[The_Russian]

there's no reason not to give any PFJer a hard time when he comes up with some lame rationalization of what he did. Total BS...

Lame rationalization my ass. What the heck is your problem man? And why do you care anyway? I worked really hard to get where I am today. I am glad for you that nothing really crappy happened during your early career days to inhibit your progression. Maybe you should fill us in in detail about your career. I am absolutely sure that I can find a "lowering of the bar" somewhere on your career path. There has gota be something you have done that is not respected by your peers. I love your pompus attitude towards others also. It really shows your character.

The bottom line is if there werent people willing to shell out $35 large for "training" that company would be forced to actually hire a FO thus increasing the job market in our profession. I know someone personally who did the Alpine Air PFT, he did almost all the loading and unloading of cargo and after 10 months managed to log 100 hours. He was paying to perform a service and that was stupid on his part and unethical by the company. There is no way to justify PFT because it is keeping people like me out of a job that would otherwise be qualified for and unless you enjoy screwing our profession you would wise up and do it the right way.

It's not even 35K. At least get the price right. Geez! The company is forced to hire FO's. They have even hired off the street before. Our pilots come here and get what they pay for. THey get to fly and learn. However, it's all up to them on what they take away from the experience. And trust me, GIA isn't taking but maybe 10-20 jobs off the market. The fact is that GIA provides a lot of jobs for all aviation sectors. If GIA was gone that would be LESS jobs available. If you have 1500 hours why don't you apply for a Captain job here? We hire Captains every month from off the street at only 300 hours more than the 1200 hour general mins for jet regionals. The pay is very good and QOL is too. Lastly, I did not know there was a right way. Sorry. As far as the real world is concerned there are infinate ways to gain entry level positions to an airline pilot career.

 

[mcjohn]

Geez! The company is forced to hire FO's.

I'll never bang your fat mom again.

Common language/attitude in the cockpit?


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[fromunda]

After I was permanent hire for about five months

Face it, you paid for a job because you could not get one otherwise. You talk about how no airline would hire you based on your merits. Why is it that everyone else can land a job after instructing, yet you could not? Hmmmmm.

What do yo do? You whip out your checkbook and stroke a check to any operator that will let you sit in their cockpit and play pilot. You are a disgrace.

Now I am ready for when the Legacy's begin hiring.

Hate to break it to you, but majors don't take checks in exchange for a job.

 

[The_Russian]

Face it, you paid for a job because you could not get one otherwise. You talk about how no airline would hire you based on your merits. Why is it that everyone else can land a job after instructing, yet you could not? Hmmmmm.

I could not get one otherwise because it was within 18 months after 9/11. No one was hiring. I got the "sorry we aren't conducting interviews" from everyone. Also, I knew the status of the industry and it was getting worst. All of my students were getting jet jobs while others couldn't even get a spot as a CFI because the flight school enrollment was down. I then lost my job as a CFI because GAA shut its 141 doors after we finished the last of the students. I was told be a company I was interested in working for to do the program and get the turbine time. I was also told by all of my peers except one to do it. Life is short. And I wasnt going to sit on my ass and not fly. I did try to get 135 jobs with my flight time. I finally got one and was let go in the first week along with the guy I got hired with due to company costs. At the time it was the only way. And a smart choice at that. And my merits landed me the job, not the money. The money got me the program and the job came later.

What do yo do? You whip out your checkbook and stroke a check to any operator that will let you sit in their cockpit and play pilot. You are a disgrace.

No actually I don't. I am not well off, nor is my family. I would never pay for a job. I agree that it is wrong. I don't think that there was a time where I was "playing pilot". Trust me, I was on your side of the fence as a CFI pre-gulfstream. I hated the program and was jealous and hateful. But, being involved with the company I began to learn of the benifits you career recieves from attending a program such as GAA. I don't believe that it is the only thing you should do before going to an airline job, but it is very good. I happen to recommend being a CFI just like I did first. THen use GAA to top off your resume if you think it is worth investing the money. At the time, it was for me. And it has paid off.

Hate to break it to you, but majors don't take checks in exchange for a job.

And why would they? Why would I give them money for a job? By the time I reach that point I will not need any more experience.

 

[The_Russian]

Geez! The company is forced to hire FO's

The Geez! was for the previous comment about the price.