Jet University

[The_Russian]

GIA has abslutely no affiliation to Jet U. If anything Jet University is the enemy and a sham. Henry George is a cheat and a liar. He will take all of your money and never think twice about running. Henry George even screwed over GAA when we paid him to do our 142 school certification. I lost my job because of that guy. GIA gives their students what they offer. They come though on their agreements and their contracts. GIA is also "established" in the training industry. When Jet U was Sim Center, they hardly did any business because of their lousy reputation.

 

[The_Russian]

CAT will lose their planes. The flying will go away. The students will not get their end of the contract with CAT. Jet U will have to find a new airline to suppliment. And get ready for non-union work. For example, being away from home for 2-3 weeks. Days off in Ohio when you live in Miami. No pay protection. And the list goes on.

 

[Vref+Factor]

GIA has abslutely no affiliation to Jet U. If anything Jet University is the enemy and a sham. Henry George is a cheat and a liar. He will take all of your money and never think twice about running. Henry George even screwed over GAA when we paid him to do our 142 school certification. I lost my job because of that guy. GIA gives their students what they offer. They come though on their agreements and their contracts. GIA is also "established" in the training industry. When Jet U was Sim Center, they hardly did any business because of their lousy reputation.

You work for the #1 scab of all time, ... Tom Cooper. If you don't believe me, just ask him or any other X Eastern pilot.
Jet U was formed by X Gulfstream employees who got 450 pilots hired since March 2002.

Jet U started only because Tom Cooper couldn't pay his bills or his employees (so he sold the airline). If he hadn't been CONSISTENTLY running his airline into the ground, Jet U would never have started and taken all of the students from Gulfstream

Jet U is running a campaign to help pilots. Gulfstream (now under new ownership) is using pilots to help wealthy investors from New Jersey set up casinos in the bahamas

 

[C601]

It's not "all Gulfstream". It doesn't even come close.

How come they used the same telephone number as Guftstream Training Academy.

 

[Vref+Factor]

Gulfstream didn't change their advertisment in FLYING until 4 months after Jet U started.

 

[mcjohn]

Hmmmm....If Gulfstream's business is hurting maybe they'll start a huge hiring campaign to fill the right seat. Or has this already been going on?

Edited in:
You know? JU definetly offers the better deal. More time, bigger equipment for the same price. Free market place. How's GS going to compete?

 

[The_Russian]

You work for the #1 scab of all time, ... Tom Cooper. If you don't believe me, just ask him or any other X Eastern pilot.
Jet U was formed by X Gulfstream employees who got 450 pilots hired since March 2002.

What does that have to do with the fact that Jet U has no backbone to stand on? They do not have a good history with their students, and they are run by someone just as bad as Cooper.

Jet U started only because Tom Cooper couldn't pay his bills or his employees (so he sold the airline). If he hadn't been CONSISTENTLY running his airline into the ground, Jet U would never have started and taken all of the students from Gulfstream

Where did you get this information from? Our airline has been making money for years. Our Cuba operation charges 2000 dollars a head to get a ride over the river. You know the truth as to why Jet U has taken students from GAA. And it wasn't an honest way.

Jet U is running a campaign to help pilots. Gulfstream (now under new ownership) is using pilots to help wealthy investors from New Jersey set up casinos in the bahamas

Jet U is a business. Not a charity for pilots. Doesn't every airline feed the pockets of wealthy investors?

 

[The_Russian]

You know? JU definetly offers the better deal. More time, bigger equipment for the same price. Free market place. How's GS going to compete?

Our flying will be there after June. People leave Gulfstream and get jobs. That's just two reasons.

 

[SevenDos]

For anyone who cares, this information is inaccurate. (Take it from someone who ACTUALLY works here). CAT is bound by legal contract to fly their interns no less than 500 hrs. If they fly you 1 hour less, they are in breech of contract and will legally be held liable.

They may be putting a hold on extending the month to month contracts after the 500 hrs is complete however, Jet University is arranging Regional Airline interviews for EVERY pilot who has completed their contract.

Dig into your contract sucker, I don't believe they specify the length of time it takes, as long as CAT has a certificate, you get no money back. It could take 10 years to get your flight time and Henry George still has his ass covered. And sadly enough I actually do work at CAT, only I didn't spend 30k.

 

[SevenDos]

You work for the #1 scab of all time, ... Tom Cooper. If you don't believe me, just ask him or any other X Eastern pilot.
Jet U was formed by X Gulfstream employees who got 450 pilots hired since March 2002.



Dude, do you not know you work for a scab as well? You don't even know anything about CAT.

 

[Vref+Factor]

let's bottom line it here fellas. If you have a job at an airline, ... great. If not, Jet university offers the quickest way to an airline without having to instruct. Let the stats speak for themselves. If you are a low timer, it's the greatest opportunity out there. Jet U is the only 121 jet internship in the country. If you don't like it, don't talk trash to the pilots who seek this route, talk to the airlines that hire them.

 

[The_Russian]

let's bottom line it here fellas. If you have a job at an airline, ... great. If not, Jet university offers the quickest way to an airline without having to instruct. Let the stats speak for themselves. If you are a low timer, it's the greatest opportunity out there. Jet U is the only 121 jet internship in the country. If you don't like it, don't talk trash to the pilots who seek this route, talk to the airlines that hire them.

Go flush your head down the toilet.

 

[User998]

let's bottom line it here fellas. If you have a job at an airline, ... great. If not, Jet university offers the quickest way to an airline without having to instruct.

Call it like it is, REGIONAL airlines, where you make less then $20 bucks an hour, and will most likely be seat-locked for years. All your doing is spending $35,000 to bypass instructing and go to the regionals. Big deal. Where's the payoff?

Why not just instruct for a year, GET PAID TO DO IT, and end up at the regionals anyways.

I get 250 hours in the right-seat of a dinosaur 727? How much real world flying are you going to be learning in that short period of time - keeping in mind you were a zero hour pilot a few months previous.

Regardless, it'll sure make you feel like a hotshot when you go from the right-seat of that, down into a Beech 1900. What a waste. I already feel sorry for the regional captains (who earned their seat the hard way) have to put up with a four day trip listening to their F/O's b1tch and moan about "727 this, 727 that" "This isn't how we did it on the 727...".

What domestic airlines fly the 727's now a days anyways - besides Champion?

 

[PA-44Typed]

Americjet, kitty hawk, ExpressNet, CAT, DHL(ameristar), FedX, Miami Air, Champion ………just a few 727 operators that come to mind!

 

[User998]

Americjet, kitty hawk, ExpressNet, CAT, DHL(ameristar), FedX, Miami Air, Champion ………just a few 727 operators that come to mind!

To clarify, I meant passenger airlines. I know the birds are big in the cargo world, but thats not what the JU training is about.

Champion and Miami Air I guess are the only two?

 

[PA-44Typed]

You forgot Falcon Air Express and Boston Maine (aka PAN AM). I think Tranmeridian might have parked all of theirs.

 

[The_Russian]

I get 250 hours in the right-seat of a dinosaur 727? How much real world flying are you going to be learning in that short period of time - keeping in mind you were a zero hour pilot a few months previous.

With all the automation today, I think it is better to get back to basics with newer pilots. Keeps them from gettin lazy! Also, define "real world experience". As far I know I didn't get any special experience flying as a CFI or at GIA that I would qualify as "real world experience" over the other. All the experiences I have culminate a possible "real world experience", if you will. If anything, a 727 or Be1900D "experience" would help to well-round a pilot in a positive way.

 

[The_Russian]

regional captains (who earned their seat the hard way)

Are you saying that I didn't earn Captain the hard way?

 

[The_Russian]

Why not just instruct for a year, GET PAID TO DO IT, and end up at the regionals anyways.

While I agree that in the "easy hire regional" world this does work. It didn't work after September 11. The only programs that were getting jobs were direct programs and ab initio. Up until late 2004, regionals werent even considering CFI's unless they had gobs of time or some turbine. Even now it is difficult and only very competent CFI's keep the training rates above 50%. Most pilots today, in my opinion, are of poor quality no matter what background.

BTW CFI CFII MEI cost between 10K and 15k. Not that big of a difference from the kind of cash some people spend to do direct programs. Especially when you add time as a factor. Which, for us, is a major factor in our careers.

 

[Vref+Factor]

Go flush your head down the toilet.

Ok, you win, ... I shall flush with pride, ..... In Flames May 30th - Revolution