Jet Blue Jumpseat?

[32LT10]

Just read on our UAALPA forum about one of our pilots that was bumped from a B6 flight for a commuting flight attendant to sit in the cockpit. What gives? Is this really your policy? He was flying FLL- JFK, or should I say attempting to fly.

 

[JBPA]

Just read on our UAALPA forum about one of our pilots that was bumped from a B6 flight for a commuting flight attendant to sit in the cockpit. What gives? Is this really your policy? He was flying FLL- JFK, or should I say attempting to fly.

Shouldn't have happened. How recent? We received guidance a while back (probably after a couple of knuckleheads bumped CASS folks for FAs) that CASS has priority over our FA 'observation' riders. I'm too lazy to look it up but I belive said priority is now delineated in our FOM.

Or, it could've been one of the '10%'-ers. Since most of us commute, we'd NEVER let an FA bump a pilot (except the FAs have priority for THEIR JS's in back). Either way, sorry.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Just read on our UAALPA forum about one of our pilots that was bumped from a B6 flight for a commuting flight attendant to sit in the cockpit. What gives? Is this really your policy? He was flying FLL- JFK, or should I say attempting to fly.

No way should a CASS jumpseater be bumped from the cockpit by a JB FA. JB's guidance is unambiguous on this point.
If this in fact did happen, the UA JS coordinator needs to contact the JB coordinator so that the offending Capt may be "educated".
In addition, I offer my sincere apology.

 

[Dogwood]

Shouldn't have happened. How recent? We received guidance a while back (probably after a couple of knuckleheads bumped CASS folks for FAs) that CASS has priority over our FA 'observation' riders. I'm too lazy to look it up but I belive said priority is now delineated in our FOM.

Or, it could've been one of the '10%'-ers. Since most of us commute, we'd NEVER let an FA bump a pilot (except the FAs have priority for THEIR JS's in back). Either way, sorry.

The person who was bumped, (if this really happened, I might add) should contact our Jumpseat person with the flight number and date. He can then follow up on this and find out what happened.

To be very honest with you, we are growing so fast that there may be Captains out there who are not exactly clear on the Jumpseat policy. We're spending enough brain cells calculating International Alternate wx requirements, etc.

But, this is no excuse. IF this did indeed occur, it must be corrected. My guess is they there may be more to the story. There usually is.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Hold your breath, if this started off from 32LT10, it may not even be worth addressing. We have one of the most open policies for jumpseating that even if this case was true, it is extremely isolated. I flew a flight from IAD-FLL a few weeks ago and had 8 UAL employees on going home. Just remember, the jumpseat is a priviledge not a right-- they're still my seats in the cockpit, and I'll offer it up 99.9% of the time when conditions warrant it-- just not to 32LT10...

 

[Lake Alice]

32LT10,

If you want to find out the truth then PM any of us the specific flight and date and we'll find out what happened.

If you are just trying to stir the pot then we won't expect anything from you.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

The post on the UAL-ALPA board doesn't say it was the cockpit jumpseat anyway. Could of been one of the cabin jumpseats.

 

[flyfastinmy10]

Why is it that the bumped pilot never posts. Everyone has heard the same story. I heard that someone, who I don't know. If fact I don't even know his name, was wronged by this or that airline............

 

[32LT10]

The pilot did not give the flight specifics, just he was going from FLL to JFK and was bumped from the JUMPSEAT for an F/A. When it comes to cabin seats it is obvious that an EMPLOYEE would ride those seats before and offline jumpseater! I am sure the pilot in question will be in touch with our coordinator and hopefully this can be resolved. It is disappointing that this has to turn into a slug fest. I was curious about the policy and am sure the proper channels will be followed. However, if that was you that was left for a flight attendant you think you might be steamed around the collar?

 

[Longhorn]

If it was one of the cabin jumpseat, thats a whole other story. A JB FA has priority in the back over an offline oal jumpseater. If the last seat in the back was the FA jumpseat itself, then even an offline oal fa has priority for the cabin fa jumpseat over a oal pilot. If I am mistaken guys please let me know....I am wrong at times.

 

[Longhorn]

32lt10. If I was left at the gate for a FA getting in the COCKPIT jumpseat...yea, I would be pissed. But...If I was left at the gate because the airline I was trying to jumpseat on had one of their own bump me out of the back, or even for the FA jumpseat, I would completely understand. Please let us know what happens with it or the whole story if you find out!!

 

[32LT10]

I know the pilot in question and sent him a note. He said it was the cockpit jumpseat he was denied for a flight attendant. I have flown with him in the past and he is a very good guy, ex-EAL and a long time FL commuter. He is definitely not the type of guy that would have a problem in any situation other than the cockpit jumpseat. He did say he had notified our Jumpseat guy.

 

[ultrarunner]

Just curious, why wouldn't a commuting 'online' employee NOT have priority over an 'offline' jumpseater, FA or pilot, and in any seat?

Maybe it's just me, but I sure wouldn't expect to have priority over a commuting employee, flight deck or cabin.

Hmmm

 

[curtaindriver]

And who was in the other jumpseat? The 320's have two. These things always get blown out of proportion.

CD

 

[8vATE]

Just curious, why wouldn't a commuting 'online' employee NOT have priority over an 'offline' jumpseater, FA or pilot, and in any seat?

Maybe it's just me, but I sure wouldn't expect to have priority over a commuting employee, flight deck or cabin.

Hmmm

Even with 32LT's checkered reputation in the JetBlue arena..imp:
An offline pilot should never be bumped from a CASS Flight Deck Jumpseat for a JetBlue F/A.

Ultrarunner asks why this is the policy?... because the Flight Deck is first and foremost for pilots Online and Offline. We have a familiarization policy for flight attendants. And we like to take care of them. But it is NOT to diminish the ability to accept offline pilots.

Our pilot group has a certain percentage of people that are straight out of corporate and the military who may not entirely grasp the nuances of the jumpseat policy.

Our jumpseat coordinator will aggressively pursue any difficulties or lapses in judgement!:smash:

 

[Uppercrust]

Unbelievable.

 

[Smoking Man]

Hold your breath, if this started off from 32LT10, it may not even be worth addressing. We have one of the most open policies for jumpseating that even if this case was true, it is extremely isolated. I flew a flight from IAD-FLL a few weeks ago and had 8 UAL employees on going home. Just remember, the jumpseat is a priviledge not a right-- they're still my seats in the cockpit, and I'll offer it up 99.9% of the time when conditions warrant it-- just not to 32LT10...

On Sunday morning IAD to FLL I took 15 United non rev's, 2 pilots and the rest F/A's, I was more than happy to give them all a FREE ride, I do wish for the sake of my F/A's that they were able to ride on United.

 

[SonicPig]

Just read on our UAALPA forum about one of our pilots that was bumped from a B6 flight for a commuting flight attendant to sit in the cockpit. What gives? Is this really your policy? He was flying FLL- JFK, or should I say attempting to fly.

Hey 32, I just read through Boyles top to bottom and couldn't find a reference to the event you are talking about. Yes I have access.
You may have some legitimate beefs with B6 pilots, but jumpseat is not one of them. I regularly transport UAL pilots and FA's from Florida to NY and vice versa. By the way, a lot of FL commuters have their wings inverted these days. PM Bro, we may have much to converse about.

The Pig.

 

[32LT10]

Hey 32, I just read through Boyles top to bottom and couldn't find a reference to the event you are talking about. Yes I have access.
You may have some legitimate beefs with B6 pilots, but jumpseat is not one of them. I regularly transport UAL pilots and FA's from Florida to NY and vice versa. By the way, a lot of FL commuters have their wings inverted these days. PM Bro, we may have much to converse about.

The Pig.

Go to the UAL ALPA FORUM. Select Message Sections and find the list of different sections. Now go look toward the top and you will find Hotel/Jumpseat/Crashpad. Click on this link and you will find various topics of the above. You may have to reset the message options selection for the date. Set the date to "show all messages after xxxx option. I would suggest setting it to 7/15/06 and later. The posters initials are MC and he is a regular poster and all around good guy. After you find this will you please come back here and apologize?

 

[32LT10]

Hold your breath, if this started off from 32LT10, it may not even be worth addressing. We have one of the most open policies for jumpseating that even if this case was true, it is extremely isolated. I flew a flight from IAD-FLL a few weeks ago and had 8 UAL employees on going home. Just remember, the jumpseat is a priviledge not a right-- they're still my seats in the cockpit, and I'll offer it up 99.9% of the time when conditions warrant it-- just not to 32LT10...

I have tried to maintain civility in this topic and with B6. With comments such as this BB how would I know you, when you try to OMC on UAL? If so should I turn down all B6 pilots because of your threats?

 

[737 Pylt]

I have tried to maintain civility in this topic and with B6. With comments such as this BB how would I know you, when you try to OMC on UAL? If so should I turn down all B6 pilots because of your threats?

Swell, just what we need now, jumpseat wars!
Please fellas, let's keep the js out of political affairs! Although I don't jumpseat, I know of many who do, and jumpseat wars benefit NOBODY!
737

 

[elag777]

I have tried to maintain civility in this topic and with B6. With comments such as this BB how would I know you, when you try to OMC on UAL? If so should I turn down all B6 pilots because of your threats?

32: I have to say that I am impressed with your tone up until the last post. Threats benefit no one and with commuting (if you do) we are all as 737 said, in the same boat. I would have to guess that this was at best a very isolated incident and should not have happened if it went down as you profess it to be the case. Maybe the Capt. of said flt did not know that there was an OAL jumpseater waiting? Maybe the CASS verification had not been done, who knows but the person in question. "Quick turns" are very fluid and I have seen misunderstandings and miscommunications happen to the best of gate agents. Provide the details as asked for and the problem can be addressed and fixed instead of all this pontificating!

 

[KC-10 Driver]

Here's the bottom line:

If the OAL CASS pilot got denied the flight deck jumpseat in favor of a JB flight attendant, that was wrong. If this offended pilot contacts his jumpseat coordinator (as he/she should), then the issue will be addressed.

The jumpseat coordinators will confirm everything, and the offending JB captain will be given remedial jumpseat training. Let's let the process work.

In the meantime, on behalf of myself and my JetBlue coworkers, I offer my sincere apologies.

 

[wndshr]

I Was Denied

I tried to jumpseat the other day. The gate agent didn't believe I was a pilot. She said she had just watched "Catch me if YOU Can." Then she said that she was going to make sure that every j/s er was legit. She got on the PA and was asking me questions (throughout the whole terminal)..."so...mr wanna jumpseat pilot guy....what kind of shock absorbers does a airplane have....how many cylinders does a A320 engine have???" I was terribly embarrassed but I answered all questions correctly. I was finally given the j/s...then I went to the CA and he didn't believe I was a pilot either...so he got on the PA and asked publicly, how many fan blades does a Soviet Mig 15 have? how many rivets on a 737. After answering those questions correctly...they kicked me off and I had to buy a Greyhound ticket from NY to Hawaii.Did anyone actually read this far? I hope it was as entertaining as all the other false j/s BS!!! gotta love a public forum eh?

 

[DIAMONDDD]

I tried to jumpseat the other day. The gate agent didn't believe I was a pilot. She said she had just watched "Catch me if YOU Can." Then she said that she was going to make sure that every j/s er was legit. She got on the PA and was asking me questions (throughout the whole terminal)..."so...mr wanna jumpseat pilot guy....what kind of shock absorbers does a airplane have....how many cylinders does a A320 engine have???" I was terribly embarrassed but I answered all questions correctly. I was finally given the j/s...then I went to the CA and he didn't believe I was a pilot either...so he got on the PA and asked publicly, how many fan blades does a Soviet Mig 15 have? how many rivets on a 737. After answering those questions correctly...they kicked me off and I had to buy a Greyhound ticket from NY to Hawaii.Did anyone actually read this far? I hope it was as entertaining as all the other false j/s BS!!! gotta love a public forum eh?

I don't know.........your story seems a little far fetched.

 

[SonicPig]

Go to the UAL ALPA FORUM. Select Message Sections and find the list of different sections. Now go look toward the top and you will find Hotel/Jumpseat/Crashpad. Click on this link and you will find various topics of the above. You may have to reset the message options selection for the date. Set the date to "show all messages after xxxx option. I would suggest setting it to 7/15/06 and later. The posters initials are MC and he is a regular poster and all around good guy. After you find this will you please come back here and apologize?

I've PM'd you. A question though, apologize for what?

The Pig

 

[rayford steele]

I have tried to maintain civility in this topic and with B6. With comments such as this BB how would I know you, when you try to OMC on UAL? If so should I turn down all B6 pilots because of your threats?

That's enough already. If your story is correct then an apology is owed to the person in question as well as making sure the B6 captain is aware of the cockpit jumpseat priority. On another note I have bent over backwards getting your people on MY airplane. I even delayed a flight a couple of minutes to get one of yours on. I can PM you the details if you would like.

 

[32LT10]

I've PM'd you. A question though, apologize for what?

The Pig

The apology would be for claiming the post did not exist. Once you find it, if you would just acknowledge its existence that would suffice. Too many think it did not happen.

 

[SonicPig]

The apology would be for claiming the post did not exist. Once you find it, if you would just acknowledge its existence that would suffice. Too many think it did not happen.

32, I didn't say the post didn't exist. I said I couldn't find it, I just assumed it was in Boyles. Where 99.9% of all posts are. Lighten up man.
I have been in contact with the denied jumpseater, copied his flight info and forwarded it to our jumpseat commitee. Let them investigate and we'll all find out what happened. If I don't hear anything in a reasonable amount of time I can contact the Capt who operated the flight. For now, lets follow the established protocol.
Also 32, by reading the UA board and this one I am no longer anonomyous. If you don't mind keep that between us.
Maybe we've flown together? Ever drive a ThunderGuppy?

 

[32LT10]

32, I didn't say the post didn't exist. I said I couldn't find it, I just assumed it was in Boyles. Where 99.9% of all posts are. Lighten up man.
I have been in contact with the denied jumpseater, copied his flight info and forwarded it to our jumpseat commitee. Let them investigate and we'll all find out what happened. If I don't hear anything in a reasonable amount of time I can contact the Capt who operated the flight. For now, lets follow the established protocol.
Also 32, by reading the UA board and this one I am no longer anonomyous. If you don't mind keep that between us.
Maybe we've flown together? Ever drive a ThunderGuppy?

I have flown the 200. Perhaps we did......

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