Jet Blue E190 sightings

[MAX CON]

I read a few weeks ago they were on the east coast doing proving runs. Does anyone have info on when they will be on line and routes?

 

[Dogwood]

I read a few weeks ago they were on the east coast doing proving runs. Does anyone have info on when they will be on line and routes?

Max Con,

We have not taken a 190 delivery yet. I believe the first delivery is in about 2 weeks. Our first group of instructors just finished training, and the first line checkairman just started. I believe they will be doing the JetBlue proving runs.

There was a 190 flying around, but that was for other purposes.

No new cities announced yet for the 190. Probably will be 2nd quarter of next year before we see anything like that, according to info on the financial call 2 weeks ago.

DW

 

[MAX CON]

I assume the paint on the a/c will be the same. Will JB make it a Connection/ Express logo? How about call sign?

 

[chperplt]

Will JB make it a Connection/ Express logo? How about call sign

Why would it be a connection/express logo? Jetblue is flying them...

I'm going out on a limb here... I'm going to guess the call sign will be... Jetblue.

 

[nyboilermaker]

It's been in the JFK hanger a few times that I've seen. Great looking airplane.

 

[Floatplane]

jetBlue Aircraft

I assume the paint on the a/c will be the same. Will JB make it a Connection/ Express logo? How about call sign?

They are going to be jetBlue aircraft, flown by jetBlue pilots on the same seniority list, and they will not be used as a connection or express type carrier. Just a new fleet type added to the airline. Hope this helps to clear up any confusion.

Cheers!

 

[conman]

Why not call it a 90 vs. a 190. After all 90 bucks an hour is all it will pay for a 12 year guy. My son's pee wee baseball coach charges 75 per hour to put a ball on a tee and say "Hit the ball straight."

 

[SELFloadingCRGO]

Why not call it a 90 vs. a 190. After all 90 bucks an hour is all it will pay for a 12 year guy. My son's pee wee baseball coach charges 75 per hour to put a ball on a tee and say "Hit the ball straight."

I guess he's the smart one then.


SLC

 

[turbodriver]

Will the E190's come out west? As in bases?

 

[tailhookah]

Turbodriver,

Don't count on it anytime soon... the 190 is supposed to be only at JFK first and then the rumor (read not official) says the first base outside of JFK or any of the other 2 bases will be Boston. Could that change????? You bet. There's no other answer for your question right now. It could take years for it to be based anywhere other than JFK/FLL or rumor...BOS. All conjecture and rumor... did I mention rumor?

tail....

 

[Longhorn]

Why not call it a 90 vs. a 190. After all 90 bucks an hour is all it will pay for a 12 year guy. My son's pee wee baseball coach charges 75 per hour to put a ball on a tee and say "Hit the ball straight."

Nice......JackA$$

 

[Dogwood]

Why not call it a 90 vs. a 190. After all 90 bucks an hour is all it will pay for a 12 year guy. My son's pee wee baseball coach charges 75 per hour to put a ball on a tee and say "Hit the ball straight."

I doubt that a 12 yr guy / gal will still be on the 190. If so, it was by choice. Sure everyone agrees that the pay is low on it. No debate there. Hopefully, that will be addressed, at some point down the road after the plane flys some block hours, and the true costs can be determined. It's also hard to find quality F/Os that may upgrade to 190 captain in 1 1/2 years, and can afford to work for $37 / hr.

My personal opinion is that the Bus and the 190 should pay the same. UPS used that thinking for years, and might still, I'm not sure.

You will see new cities announced for sure on the 190. That's the entire reason for getting the airplane in the first place.

 

[tailhookah]

The whole pay issue on the 190 is so old on this board..... B6 is still a fledgling airline operating/growing/profitable in historically one of the most difficult times in aviation history. The plane has never flown a revenue flight yet. It is much smarter to keep the pay lower and not have to adjust it lower than to start it out higher and have to lower it later. Smart management. If pay is still low 5 years from now when B6 is "established" then people can argue. But now everyone should realize that our "extra" pay is being used to grow B6 into a large and powerfull company that will sustain all of us into our retirement while hopefully posting profitable years that will continue to add to our profit sharing. I'm furloughed and don't ever want to go through that again. So I believe in how B6 is being steered and don't ever want to become arrogant or greedy as a pilot group. We've all seen what arrogance and greed will do to airlines, whether it be a legacy or a past LCC failure.

It continues to amaze me how people put all the blame on the current situation on B6 when there are constant post's about terrible exec's getting huge bonus payouts, other airlines that can undercut everyone else due to fuel hedges and/or years in bankruptcy while their bottom line doesn't count...In an industry that has thousands of airplanes operating in the US on a daily basis, an operator like B6 w/ only 80 airplanes is not the root cause of everyone's problems... just a small contributing factor. Maybe if people put their energy towards fixing their own airline instead of bashing and blaming B6 for their woes, they would be actually getting somewhere...

just my $.02

tail

 

[AA717driver]

The only people putting the blame on LCC's are those at Legacy's who are whistling past the graveyard.

JB E190 pay is $h!t. So is the starting pay at UPS. Starting pay sucks. If you are in your 20's who cares--you are supposed to make crap pay. If you are in your mid-40's and starting over because the airline business screwed you over, well, it sucks to be me... er, I mean it sucks to be you.

These days, you go somewhere and hope. You hope your company stays in business. You hope fuel doesn't keep going up. You hope you don't get bought. At some carriers, you hope the expansion keeps going and you get to upgrade soon. At others, you hope the pay increases so you can make a living.

I hope we all get to make it to retirement and can still afford decent beer on SSI! TC

 

[tailhookah]

I don't think there is a single B6 guy that thinks the 190 Captain pay is good. But as of right now I think guys are holding out to see how it's deployed, how the yield turns out and whether the pay will come up. It's a no-brainer that the pay is not good but at least we have faith in our management that they will do the right thing for us when the company can afford it. And the pilots understand (b/c most of us came from legacy carriers or broken companies where ALPA lost the bubble years ago) this and have the faith in management and the understanding that right now, in this environment that we are not going to get more or should get any more for the sake of the operation. B6 will probably never be the highest paid airline, but I'd rather get a steady decent paycheck the rest of my career than have to subsidize further furloughs and try to reap all of my pay at the end of my career, like the ALPA way, if you will.

 

[Falconjet]

You forgot that really cool title the company gave you too! jet Pilot

Kind of like Woody on Cheers getting to be the "senior bar tender technician' instead of getting a raise.

Rationalize it any way you want, but the 190 pilots are being paid as if they were being flown by a "connection or express type carrier".

That may sit ok with you guys, but everyone else is free to comment about it as well.

If it truely doesn't bother you than quit trying to defend the crappy pay rates. Bashing ALPA doesn't make your rates any better either.

Again, I have nothing against jB, and I wish thier pilots all the best.

Particularly 1-Tacan-Rule.

FJ

 

[B6Driver]

Lets just get one thing straight..........APLA is a scumbab operation and the longer you waste your money on it, eventually, you'll see Im so spot on target. Alpa looks out for one thing.......Alpa.

 

[tailhookah]

A lot of guys bash B6.... they've never worked a day at B6 or even ridden as a jumpseater or fare paying customer. I can bash ALPA all I want... I am an ALPA member, if you call it that. Better yet I've been furloughed by an ALPA carrier for over 3.5 years now. I think I am entitled to bash that worthless organization as much as I want. The more people I can convince about ALPA's worthlessness the better off B6 will be by keeping that POS organization out. I have nothing against FEDEX....except maybe they wouldn't interview me because I was furloughed by an ALPA carrier back in the summer of 02. That's no bullsh!t. That came from your still fearless leader Jack Lewis. Just another reason why I've got no love loss for ALPA....

 

[IB6 UB9]

I'm 2500 numbers deep in a no-furlough clause at an ALPA carrier. But wait...I have an idea. Let's get ALPA on the property here so we can begin the Ch. 11 process...then maybe I can be furloughed from two ALPA carrier's at once! I have trouble seeing the logic that some of you argue. I agree the pay rates are low on paper compared to the way things used to be. What are your suggestions? I have one...don't apply.

 

[TonyC]

That came from your still fearless leader J*** L****. Just another reason why I've got no love loss for ALPA....

It's obvious that you're misdirecting your bitterness. ALPA has nothing to do with his hiring philosphy.



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[Chronic Jetlag]

Look in the mirror

You forgot that really cool title the company gave you too! jet Pilot

Falconjet:
With all due respect and I think I speak for all of the JB guys, 90% or more of the pilots here have been to the circus and seen the puppet show. Sarcasm and condescending remarks really have no place here. Do you really think all the guys here joined JB to build jet time? Ask around and see what the competitive mins are...ask yourself how many here are furloughed from the Legacy carriers. Your comment is moronic and immature and it only reflects on your own insecurities. Who is the one that needs a title to validate their self worth?

Wake up and smell reality. We live in a free market economy and we do not get paid for what we're worth; rather we get paid what the market will bear. Can you quantifly how much an athlete is worth? 5-10 million/year for a QB in the NFL? It's what the market for bear! You can't quantify what a pilot is worth. If it were up to me I think we're all skygods and should be paid $300K/year with 21 days off per month. Unfortunately the aviation landscape has changed and that's reality. Honestly ask yourself what your skills are worth to corporate America if you were furloughed? Your skills and everyone else's on this board is worth exactly ZERO.

We pilots get lulled into thinking we're better than everyone else; especially when times were good and some got paid $250K/year. We start to believe we're worth that much and anything less would be an insult and a grave injustice to our profession. I'm happy that some did get paid that much; hell...I want everyone to get paid that much. Fact of the matter is our piloting skills and experience is a trade, and like any other trade it's subject to market forces.

Want to be heard here? Say something half way intelligent.

 

[JethroF15]

The whole pay issue on the 190 is so old on this board..... B6 is still a fledgling airline operating/growing/profitable in historically one of the most difficult times in aviation history. The plane has never flown a revenue flight yet. It is much smarter to keep the pay lower and not have to adjust it lower than to start it out higher and have to lower it later. Smart management. If pay is still low 5 years from now when B6 is "established" then people can argue. But now everyone should realize that our "extra" pay is being used to grow B6 into a large and powerfull company that will sustain all of us into our retirement while hopefully posting profitable years that will continue to add to our profit sharing. I'm furloughed and don't ever want to go through that again. So I believe in how B6 is being steered and don't ever want to become arrogant or greedy as a pilot group. We've all seen what arrogance and greed will do to airlines, whether it be a legacy or a past LCC failure.

It continues to amaze me how people put all the blame on the current situation on B6 when there are constant post's about terrible exec's getting huge bonus payouts, other airlines that can undercut everyone else due to fuel hedges and/or years in bankruptcy while their bottom line doesn't count...In an industry that has thousands of airplanes operating in the US on a daily basis, an operator like B6 w/ only 80 airplanes is not the root cause of everyone's problems... just a small contributing factor. Maybe if people put their energy towards fixing their own airline instead of bashing and blaming B6 for their woes, they would be actually getting somewhere...

just my $.02

tail

And there you have it... "those darn greedy and arrogant pilots". Man, they have really brought the airlines to their knees! If we could have just nixed all those greedy lowlife pilots a long time ago we would all be making record profits now. Sure glad that you are showing us all the "new" road to a successful airline that will be around forever! And this from a pilot no less! On second thought, are you management? You sure sound like it.

 

[conman]

It's a no-brainer that the pay is not good but at least we have faith in our management that they will do the right thing for us when the company can afford it. And the pilots understand (b/c most of us came from legacy carriers or broken companies.


So management will do the right thing. Wow!!! Just ask the SW FA's how hard they had to fight to get a contract. How about the UPS pilots working for a highly profitable company. How is their contract going??

 

[conman]

Wake up and smell reality. We live in a free market economy and we do not get paid for what we're worth; rather we get paid what the market will bear.


Imagine if you were a doctor, lawyer, CPA and the nurse, para-legal and office staff made more than you. That's precisely what we have in aviation. Air Traffic controllers make on average 165K per year. I don't begrudge them. I think they are worth every penny and then some. This downward spiral to the bottom has to stop.

 

[conman]

Honestly ask yourself what your skills are worth to corporate America if you were furloughed?



Corporate America??????? Why is it we have the highest paid executives in the world??? Why do the CEO's of the big three automakers make substantially more than their Japanese counterparts who make a superior product??? You never get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate.

 

[SoCentralRain]

And there you have it... "those darn greedy and arrogant pilots". Man, they have really brought the airlines to their knees! If we could have just nixed all those greedy lowlife pilots a long time ago we would all be making record profits now. Sure glad that you are showing us all the "new" road to a successful airline that will be around forever! And this from a pilot no less! On second thought, are you management? You sure sound like it.

Easy there, Jethro. This individual was referring to the often-ignored axiom of "Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword." Think about it. History whispers some succinct lessons as long as we're not deaf enough to hear them.

SCR

 

[wndshr]

I am fully aware that the rates are low on the B6 190....but how come nobody complains that AWA 90 seaters pay $11 less per hour than B6 190's on 2nd year pay?

Oh....they are Mesa? Silly me!!! You mean AWA pilots are not flying those jets? How come?

I am sure there must be some new hires at AWA that would like to find themselves in the left seat of a 90 seat jet in their second year....right??? Especially when the U/AWA integration begins!