Jeblue LGB schedules

[Herculeus]

Can somebody post a Jetblue line out of Lgb?Do you only fly to those couple cites on route to the east coast?Or do you get to JFK and continue to FLL or back across to Sea or Oak?And how long would it take to hold a line?Thanks for your help.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Can somebody post a Jetblue line out of Lgb?Do you only fly to those couple cites on route to the east coast?Or do you get to JFK and continue to FLL or back across to Sea or Oak?And how long would it take to hold a line?Thanks for your help.

There is no gravity associated with the LGB lines. There is no need.
They suck...

 

[8vATE]

There is no gravity associated with the LGB lines. There is no need.
They suck...

Bid JFK and commute!

Problem solved!


Or go for your "perfect" schedule and get 16 hour 4 day trips out of LGB and work 21 days a month!!


whiner...

 

[jointops]

Herc,

I'm based in LGB and have been with the company 3+ years. I'm a captain and have about 4 people below me as lineholders. We've just increased our reserve numbers but still have 51 pilots in each seat.

The F/O seniority is obviously more junior, but I'll hazard a guess of 6-8 months or so before you can get in. Just a guess mind you.

There are 7 trips for June with daily departures. Only 1 is a 4 day trip worth 23+35 with BOS/SJC/JFK layovers. All the others are 2 days and vary between 11 to 12 hours of productivity. Most of us try to bid those back to back and get 24 hours in a shot.

If you're a commuter, the 4 day probably isn't commutable on either end. It has a report time of 0955 and finishes on the 4th day at 2200.

The destinations have been varied lately. I've seen TPA turns and FLL turns. A layover in MCO. In March I had 3 SAN layovers. This month I have SJC layovers. However, you mostly do BOS, IAD, JFK. Which is predominantly transcon flying (which I prefer anyway). I did notice only 2 trips have red-eyes (which is unusual for LGB crews).

The glass is half full for me being in LGB. I live in LAS and almost always have to ride the cockpit jumpseat (both ways) to JFK (else non-revs get left at the gate). We have extremely high load factors out of LAS. The last thing I want to do is spend another 5 hours in the cockpit, sleep in a less than desirable crash pad in Kew Gardens and worry about weather issues commuting to JFK during the winter. Sure my seniority would be better in JFK, my trips more productive. But I use AWA and AA (thanks guys) out of LAX and don't sweat the commute home. If I get stuck in LGB for the night, it's a relaxing environment and I can get a run in outside throughout the year.

Obviously, what I'm saying is there are tradeoffs. For my family, LGB is worth it. Besides, they travel to meet me in SAN and SJC for my 25 hour lavyovers.

Hope this helps and happy lanidngs,

 

[Stifler's Mom]

For my family, LGB is worth it. Besides, they travel to meet me in SAN and SJC for my 25 hour lavyovers.

Have you been to Old Town in San Diego for margaritas and awesome Mexican food yet?

 

[Herculeus]

If your holding a line what is the most days you will work?Are the red eyes junior?And jointops is there a shuttle between LAX and LGB?Thanks for the help.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Bid JFK and commute!

Problem solved!


Or go for your "perfect" schedule and get 16 hour 4 day trips out of LGB and work 21 days a month!!


whiner...

WAAAA!!!!
Yeah, I could hold a line in JFK. And if everything works out perfectly for my 2-leg offline commute, it takes 10 hours to get to work. Did it for a couple of years.
Or, I can do a 1-leg, 3 hour, offline commute and sit reserve in LGB.
Which would you pick?
Why do the JFK people think the LGB crews all live in base? Over 85% are commuters also.

 

[jointops]

Herc,

We have a deal with Super Shuttle ($20 incl tip) from LGB to LAX. If it's time critical don't count on the reliability. They may stop at other places to pick up more pax or drop off pax enroute to LAX. I always call and make a reservation when I need it to be in LGB and haven't had a problem yet. I also travel to LAX at off-peak times.

Most days you work depends on what you bid for. Do you want min sked or max sked? My April sked had 75 hours with 14 days off. May has 82 hours with 13 days off (including sim training). Those are actual days off. I count commuting as a work day for this discussion.

Red-eyes being junior is relative. I certainly have my share and I've been with the company for over 3 years and a captain for 2 years.

S's Mom,

Since I'm furloughed from US Air and my spouse was Navy, I'm quite familiar with the SAN opportunities. Now that we have a 10 month old, we go for the zoo option first. But thanks for thinking of us.

Happy landings.

 

[Eagleflip]

Hey Jointops--

10 month olds enjoy a wee taste of Bud Light in their bottles, ya know...

Makes those zoo lions seem, hmmm, non-threatening...

 

[8vATE]

WAAAA!!!!
Yeah, I could hold a line in JFK. And if everything works out perfectly for my 2-leg offline commute, it takes 10 hours to get to work. Did it for a couple of years.
Or, I can do a 1-leg, 3 hour, offline commute and sit reserve in LGB.
Which would you pick?
Why do the JFK people think the LGB crews all live in base? Over 85% are commuters also.

you make my point..

you're bitching because there are "crummy" trips in LGB..

how about eliminating the base...?
does that help you ... ?
no..

LGB is a small base with a limited and curfew reduced schedule..

you will never have a perfect setup out there..

but be rational and communicate your concerns but understand the limitations of producing a "perfect" mix to satisfy everyones desires and also maintain the productivity needed to be profitable in this horrific industry.

 

[8vATE]

Can somebody post a Jetblue line out of Lgb?Do you only fly to those couple cites on route to the east coast?Or do you get to JFK and continue to FLL or back across to Sea or Oak?And how long would it take to hold a line?Thanks for your help.

for may

LGB First Officers:



Bid Divisor Range: Min = 73, Target = 80, Max = 90



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Seniority Percentile
Days off
Credit
Avg daily credit

Credit

Average Daily Credit

1-33% (131-484)

17.71

80.04

6.02

34-66% (489-690)

16.54

81.29

5.62

67-99% (695-790)

16.37

81.20

5.55

Average

16.87

80.84

5.73




36 hard line holders

15 reserve line holders

Reserve ratio = 29.41%

 

[jointops]

Flipper,

I think at this point (teething) we've been advised to use some scotch. Of course, that's advise from all the fighter pilots we know. Sound familiar?

Hope the flying is going well. Catch you on the air stairs.

Happy landings.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

you make my point..

you're bitching because there are "crummy" trips in LGB..

how about eliminating the base...?
does that help you ... ?
no..

LGB is a small base with a limited and curfew reduced schedule..

you will never have a perfect setup out there..

but be rational and communicate your concerns but understand the limitations of producing a "perfect" mix to satisfy everyones desires and also maintain the productivity needed to be profitable in this horrific industry.

First off, I answered a question about the LGB trips. As you admitted, they DO suck. My last two trips were 17+25 four-days.
I think your point is "shut up and color" or we can close the base. There are many factors out here of which you appear unaware. I won't elaborate, this isn't the place to hang dirty laundry.

 

[Herculeus]

How long would it take to hold a reserve line out of LGB for a newhire?Also how often do you fly on reserve?And according to XAvate 16 days off is normal for non-commuters?

 

[shadesofBS]

For anyone looking to make a career at jetBlue living on the West coast...don't expect to be based in LGB.

We have 51 crews and that's the end of that. End of story.

The only reason they opened this base was to cover irops, broken trips, sick calls and spares out West. The line holders are super senior guys who got a bone thrown at them. Any other BS reason like QOL is just a smoke screen.

Captains at LGB have not moved a number in 17 months. Even pilots on the property today have little chance of going to LGB as a Captain and you really can't afford to be an FO at a LCC for the rest of your career. Reserve Captain at LGB goes all the way to 330 out of more than a 1000.

The growth is on the East Coast. Boston is next. LGB is done.

If you have your heart set on a Western domicile, I would put Southwest and UPS at the top of your list.

JetBlue WILL be a transcon commute and it WON'T be pretty.

Anybody tells you any different is trying to serve you blue Jimmy juice.

 

[banger]

ShadesofBS remarks are accurate about the LGB base. However having always been a "SoCal" guy I find the commute to NYC pretty painless. With online single leg commutes from SAN, LGB, OAK BUR, and a few more cities, and offline single leg commutes on AA and DAL it hasn't been too bad. Even the redeyes are good since it allows me to spend all day with my family and catch some sleep to show up early in NYC. Of course I would preffer to be based in LGB and hold a line but I"ll have to wait for that. It is hard though to live on FO pay out west. You have to do a good job budgeting to make it work.

- Banger

 

[psysicx]

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[Skank]

For anyone looking to make a career at jetBlue living on the West coast...don't expect to be based in LGB.


We have 51 crews and that's the end of that. End of story.

The only reason they opened this base was to cover irops, broken trips, sick calls and spares out West. The line holders are super senior guys who got a bone thrown at them. Any other BS reason like QOL is just a smoke screen.

Captains at LGB have not moved a number in 17 months. Even pilots on the property today have little chance of going to LGB as a Captain and you really can't afford to be an FO at a LCC for the rest of your career. Reserve Captain at LGB goes all the way to 330 out of more than a 1000.

The growth is on the East Coast. Boston is next. LGB is done.

If you have your heart set on a Western domicile, I would put Southwest and UPS at the top of your list.

JetBlue WILL be a transcon commute and it WON'T be pretty.

Anybody tells you any different is trying to serve you blue Jimmy juice.

This is all true today. But unless shades of BS [blue stuff] is calling the shots, he [she?] has no clue as to what the future holds. None of us do. So let us keep hoping for something to happen in Oakland (maybe dynamic basing, who knows?). It can't hurt you any, can it?

 

[8vATE]

First off, I answered a question about the LGB trips. As you admitted, they DO suck. My last two trips were 17+25 four-days.
I think your point is "shut up and color" or we can close the base. There are many factors out here of which you appear unaware. I won't elaborate, this isn't the place to hang dirty laundry.

Won't disagree with you about the 17+25 four day..
And I never would tell someone to shut up..

If you're really an ex freight dog.... you should know better.
This place isn't perfect .... but take a look at everyone else.
This place is better than most and has a future.

I get tired of listening to people whine and bitch, bitch, bitch.
But they choose to live someplace with a triple leg offline commute.
They choose to spend more than they earn.
And the glass is ALWAYS half-empty....

Ask the UAL and USAirways guys how they feel.


*=============================================================================*
L2001 Check-In 12:40 Check-out 19:50 JUN2005 1-Day
Flt Dep Local Arr Local Turn Rest Block Duty +---------------------+
194 LGB 13:40 LAS 14:45 03:45* |S M T W T F S |
DH 285 LAS 18:30 LGB 19:35 01:05 07:10 |=====================|
| -- -- 03 -- |
Credit 04:00 TAFB 07:10 |-- -- -- -- -- -- -- |
|-- -- -- -- -- -- -- |
|-- -- -- -- -- -- -- |
|-- -- -- -- -- |
+---------------------+
*=============================================================================*
L2002 Check-In 05:50 Check-out 12:35 JUN2005 2-Day
Flt Dep Local Arr Local Turn Rest Block Duty +---------------------+
242 LGB 06:50 OAK 08:10 01:10 |S M T W T F S |
312 OAK 09:20 IAD 17:20 *15:40 06:20 08:45 |=====================|
Holiday Inn Select (703-815-6060) | 01 02 03 04 |
305 IAD 10:00 LGB 12:20 05:20 06:20 |05 06 07 08 09 10 11 |
|12 13 14 15 16 17 18 |
Credit 11:40 TAFB 30:45 |19 20 21 22 23 24 25 |
|26 27 28 29 30 |
+---------------------+
*=============================================================================*
L2003 Check-In 06:00 Check-out 15:05 JUN2005 2-Day
Flt Dep Local Arr Local Turn Rest Block Duty +---------------------+
482 LGB 07:00 BOS 15:30 *19:00 05:30 06:45 |S M T W T F S |
Omni Parker House (617-227-8600) |=====================|
487 BOS 11:30 LGB 14:50 06:20 07:20 | 01 02 03 04 |
|05 06 07 08 09 10 11 |
Credit 11:50 TAFB 33:05 |12 13 14 15 16 17 18 |
|19 20 21 22 23 24 25 |
|26 27 28 29 30 |
+---------------------+
*=============================================================================*
L2004 Check-In 06:10 Check-out 20:40 JUN2005 2-Day
Flt Dep Local Arr Local Turn Rest Block Duty +---------------------+
202 LGB 07:10 JFK 15:25 01:55* |S M T W T F S |
38 JFK 17:20 ROC 18:35 00:40 |=====================|
33 ROC 19:15 JFK 20:25 *19:55 07:40 11:30 | 01 -- -- -- |
JFK Airport Marriott Courtyard (718-848-2121) |-- -- -- -- -- -- -- |
219 JFK 17:20 LGB 20:25 06:05 07:05 |-- -- -- -- -- -- -- |
|-- -- -- -- -- -- -- |
Credit 13:45 TAFB 38:30 |-- -- -- -- -- |
+---------------------+
*=============================================================================*
L2005 Check-In 12:30 Check-out 13:00 JUN2005 2-Day
Flt Dep Local Arr Local Turn Rest Block Duty +---------------------+
222 LGB 13:30 JFK 21:50 *10:40 05:20 06:35 |S M T W T F S |
JFK Airport Marriott Courtyard (718-848-2121) |=====================|
211 JFK 09:30 LGB 12:45 06:15 07:15 | -- -- -- 04 |
|05 06 07 08 09 10 11 |
Credit 11:35 TAFB 24:30 |12 13 14 15 16 17 18 |
|19 20 21 22 23 24 25 |
|26 27 28 29 30 |
+---------------------+
*=============================================================================*
L2006 Check-In 14:45 Check-out 14:50 JUN2005 2-Day
Flt Dep Local Arr Local Turn Rest Block Duty +---------------------+
210 LGB 15:45 JFK 23:59 *10:51 05:14 06:29 |S M T W T F S |
JFK Airport Marriott Courtyard (718-848-2121) |=====================|
209 JFK 11:50 LGB 14:35 05:45 06:45 | 01 02 03 04 |
|05 06 07 08 09 10 11 |
Credit 10:59 TAFB 24:05 |12 13 14 15 16 17 18 |
|19 20 21 22 23 24 25 |
|26 27 28 29 30 |
+---------------------+
*=============================================================================*
L2007 Check-In 15:00 Check-out 20:30 JUN2005 2-Day
Flt Dep Local Arr Local Turn Rest Block Duty +---------------------+
310 LGB 16:00 IAD 23:50 *16:55 04:50 06:05 |S M T W T F S |
Holiday Inn Select (703-815-6060) |=====================|
306 IAD 17:45 LGB 20:15 05:30 06:30 | 01 02 03 04 |
|05 06 07 08 09 10 11 |
Credit 10:20 TAFB 29:30 |12 13 14 15 16 17 18 |
|19 20 21 22 23 24 25 |
|26 27 28 29 30 |
+---------------------+
*=============================================================================*
L2008 Check-In 15:45 Check-out 19:10 JUN2005 2-Day
Flt Dep Local Arr Local Turn Rest Block Duty +---------------------+
284 LGB 16:45 LAS 17:50 00:40 |S M T W T F S |
285 LAS 18:30 LGB 19:35 00:55 |=====================|
214 LGB 20:30 JFK 04:40 *10:20 07:20 10:10 | -- 02 03 04 |
JFK Airport Marriott Courtyard (718-848-2121) |05 06 07 08 09 10 11 |
215 JFK 16:00 LGB 18:55 05:55 06:55 |12 13 14 15 16 17 18 |
|19 20 21 22 23 24 25 |
Credit 13:15 TAFB 27:25 |26 27 28 29 30 |
+---------------------+
*=============================================================================*
L2009 Check-In 09:55 Check-out 22:00 JUN2005 4-Day
Flt Dep Local Arr Local Turn Rest Block Duty +---------------------+
486 LGB 10:55 BOS 19:25 *19:15 05:30 06:45 |S M T W T F S |
Omni Parker House (617-227-8600) |=====================|
471 BOS 15:40 SJC 19:15 *25:40 06:35 07:35 | 01 02 03 04 |
Marriott San Jose (408-280-1300) |05 06 07 08 09 10 11 |
174 SJC 21:55 JFK 06:10 *11:20 05:15 06:15 |12 13 14 15 16 17 18 |
JFK Airport Marriott Courtyard (718-848-2121) |19 20 21 22 23 24 25 |
217 JFK 18:30 LGB 21:45 06:15 07:15 |26 27 28 29 30 |
+---------------------+
Credit 23:35 TAFB 84:05



June doesn't look bad on productivity..
But you can bitch about something I'm sure!!!
Commutability and rest periods!

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Won't disagree with you about the 17+25 four day..
And I never would tell someone to shut up..

If you're really an ex freight dog.... you should know better.
This place isn't perfect .... but take a look at everyone else.
This place is better than most and has a future.

I get tired of listening to people whine and bitch, bitch, bitch.
But they choose to live someplace with a triple leg offline commute.
They choose to spend more than they earn.
And the glass is ALWAYS half-empty....

Ask the UAL and USAirways guys how they feel.





June doesn't look bad on productivity..
But you can bitch about something I'm sure!!!
Commutability and rest periods!

Listen, buddy. I get tired of people that have it good telling the ones that don't to just suck it up and be grateful.
I have had 12 bases in the last 16 years (and yeah, I was a freightdog).
Maybe you would drag a wife and 3 kids around like that, but it's not the best way to grow up. I know, I'm second-generation 121 and that's the way I grew up. I'm sure you'll respond it's my own fault I have a family... I'll take that responsibility. I obviously prefer an easier commute to a better schedule and more money. That's my choice and I don't pawn it off on anyone else.
What annoys me, is the de facto basing of crews in LA while they are "officially" based in JFK. Scheduling calls NY based people that live on the West Coast to fly trips out of LGB and sit reserve in LGB hotels. Or home, if within 2 hours of LGB. If the need is there, grow the base. Increase the pool of trips and pilots and quality will improve. Why doesn't LGB staff for BUR and ONT flights?
I never bitched about the commute, rest periods, layovers, quantities of fluids in glasses, my personal finance, or even your sanctimonious lecture.
Don't put words in my mouth, it prevents me from feelin' the love!
I am grateful for this job, I've had much worse. I just want it to more closely mirror the values.