JB pilots say no to alpa/Barely

[Blue Dude]

So union = bankruptcy. Got it.

 

[mejorgy]

OK, then, screw ALPA. Now that that's out of your system, what's your solution?

Blue Dude..... Do you find it humorous when guys as are willing to demonize ALPA but unwilling to offer a solution-any solution to the very real concerns which pertain to life as a professional pilot? Yeah....screw ALPA...that's a solution!

I have come across many of my JB colleagues over the past year who adamantly state the need for a union (CBA) but were not willing to vote yes in the election. I asked them, "So who should we elect to represent us"? Teamsters, TWU, how about the United Auto Workers? Hell...lets elect the Screen Actors Guild!!!! They have a decent contract. Fact of the matter is, I too am no fan of ALPA nor unions for that matter, but I am grossly aware that during these times of airline mergers, SLI integrations and not to mention my company's lack of accountability pertaining to changes to our work rules, retirement and the list goes on and on......................we as a professional group, NEED SOMETHING and ALPA was just about the only game in town! So ALPA it was and ALPA it wont be because 1193 view things differently than I do! Who's to say if an acquisition or merger occurs? In the end, we will see who is left standing and who will get steam rolled....if it ever happens!! (and it probably will)

True..... I started work for JB knowing what to expect. (No Union) But I think most guys who have been here 4 or more years will agree, this isn't the same JB it used to be! And for you playa-haters who say, "if you dont like it here, go somewhere else"! If a viable opportunity presents itself... I will leave. This is why I quote your remark versus the smart asses who are willing to say "screw Alpa" but not offer a plausible response or solution!

Hate Away.........................playa's

 

[Fins Up]

Blue Dude..... Do you find it humorous when guys as are willing to demonize ALPA but unwilling to offer a solution-any solution to the very real concerns which pertain to life as a professional pilot? Yeah....screw ALPA...that's a solution!

I have come across many of my JB colleagues over the past year who adamantly state the need for a union (CBA) but were not willing to vote yes in the election. I asked them, "So who should we elect to represent us"? Teamsters, TWU, how about the United Auto Workers? Hell...lets elect the Screen Actors Guild!!!! They have a decent contract. Fact of the matter is, I too am no fan of ALPA nor unions for that matter, but I am grossly aware that during these times of airline mergers, SLI integrations and not to mention my company's lack of accountability pertaining to changes to our work rules, retirement and the list goes on and on......................we as a professional group, NEED SOMETHING and ALPA was just about the only game in town! So ALPA it was and ALPA it wont be because 1193 view things differently than I do! Who's to say if an acquisition or merger occurs? In the end, we will see who is left standing and who will get steam rolled....if it ever happens!! (and it probably will)

True..... I started work for JB knowing what to expect. (No Union) But I think most guys who have been here 4 or more years will agree, this isn't the same JB it used to be! And for you playa-haters who say, "if you dont like it here, go somewhere else"! If a viable opportunity presents itself... I will leave. This is why I quote your remark versus the smart asses who are willing to say "screw Alpa" but not offer a plausible response or solution!

Hate Away.........................playa's

I think you missed bluedude's sarcasm. I believe he wants a cba, ALPA or otherwise, as much as the rest of us yes-voters do.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

When has a union done that at an airline going BK or out of business? BTW Airline and secure career in the same sentence? Isn't that an oxymoran?

Perhaps it is an oxymoron, but you didn't answer my question. You merely asked another question. To answer your question, no union can utlimately prevent an airline from BK or from going out of business. I never implied this. Perhaps I should re-phrase my original question......

How do you propose we secure (and protect) our careers (as best as we can) without representation and a CBA?

 

[Flyby1206]

Be better than the competition. That's the only way to guarantee success. Union or not

 

[pilotyip]

So union = bankruptcy. Got it.

I don't think so? I was posting they can not prevent BK nor can they preserve jobs or benefits in a failing environment.

 

[Turbosnake03]

Be better than the competition. That's the only way to guarantee success. Union or not

someone gets it !!!!

 

[mejorgy]

I think you missed bluedude's sarcasm. I believe he wants a cba, ALPA or otherwise, as much as the rest of us yes-voters do.

Oh.....I know!! I would rather respond to Blue Dude versus responding to the mindless, useless nonsense of the "screw ALPA" indigents. I think Blue Dude and I are on the same page. As are many others.

 

[pilotyip]

Perhaps it is an oxymoron, but you didn't answer my question. You merely asked another question. To answer your question, no union can utlimately prevent an airline from BK or from going out of business. I never implied this. Perhaps I should re-phrase my original question......

How do you propose we secure (and protect) our careers (as best as we can) without representation and a CBA?

as per above "Be better than the rest", but unions often forget about this and become involved in the "Whats in it for me" remember this is coming from a former union guy. With two dead airlines under his belt

 

[Blue Dude]

I don't think so? I was posting they can not prevent BK nor can they preserve jobs or benefits in a failing environment.

Then you answered a question that wasn't asked (and in the process tried to imply a correlation between unions and airline bankruptcy). No union can prevent bad management from being bad management. But a CBA can mitigate the consequences of adverse decisions or circumstances, even if that mitigation is merely a court-enforced procedure to integrate two lists or spell out furlough procedures. Mitigate <> ironclad protection, and nobody is saying it is.