JB pilots just got a facial from mgmt.

[a320drivr]

JB mgmt. can go straight to h e l l.

 

[murano]

Okayyy.... what happened??

 

[SellingDirt]

They gave their pilots a much needed pay raise. Albeit, small.

Nice to hear there was a little pay raise instead of furloughs.

 

[a320drivr]

I got 1 percent. Whoo Hoo!!!!!!!!

 

[Dizel8]

They gave their pilots a much needed pay raise. Albeit, small.

Actually, a large percentage of pilots got ZERO, NADA, ZIP, NILL, NOTHING, but I guess you are right, zero is small.

I guess times are tough all over, hence management went from 250K to 500K+ and bonuses increased.

 

[AA717driver]

Quit f#@king whining! You want to trade with the UAL guys?

Or Midwest?

Or Frontier?

Or AA (soon)?

Or ATA?

Or Suncountry?

Or USAir/AWA?

THIS kind of crap really pi$$es me off! You missed your calling by not being an '86 AA hire... TC

 

[BigMotorToter]

Some more info:

Some Airbus Captains got 1%. Some got 5%. Some got 0%.

All E190 Captains got a 10% raise.

Some Airbus F/O's got a 4% raise. Some got 5% and some got 0%.

All E190 F/O's got a 5% raise.

I'm too lazy to break it down further.

 

[PCL_128]

Can anyone post the new scale?

 

[ultrarunner]

I thought JB was the next messiah? What the heck happend????

Man, how they can turn so quick.....

Yawn....

time for bed....

 

[BigMotorToter]

I can't get the formating to work right. Hopefully the numbers will be on AirlinePilotCentral soon.​

In the meantime just add the following % increases or lack thereof to the APC site numbers.​

A320 Captains:
Year 2-5 got a 5% raise.
Year 6 and 7 got 1%.
All other 320 CA (the most senior) got 0%.​

A320 F/O:
First Year was lowered to $40 from $47 dollars/hour. Current first year F/O's were grandfathered in at $47.
Year 2 and 3 got 0%.
Year 4 got 4%.
Year 5-12 got 5%.​

E190 Captains:
Year 1-12 got 10%​

E190 F/O's:
First year was lowered to $40 from $47. Current first year F/O's were grandfathered in at $47.
Year 2-12 got 5%.​

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Looks like just enough to buy off (enough) pilots into not voting in JBPA....

 

[BigMotorToter]

Looks like just enough to buy off (enough) pilots into not voting in JBPA....

Actually from what I have been hearing it's the exact oposite.

 

[IB6 UB9]

Looks like just enough to buy off (enough) pilots into not voting in JBPA....

I think you'll be surprised to learn otherwise.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Good.... and good luck...

 

[D-Bo]

Quit f#@king whining! You want to trade with the UAL guys?

Or Midwest?

Or Frontier?

Or AA (soon)?

Or ATA?

Or Suncountry?

Or USAir/AWA?

THIS kind of crap really pi$$es me off! You missed your calling by not being an '86 AA hire... TC

Hey, I'm at one of those airlines you listed, UAL, and happen to think we'd all be better off if most of us had the attitude A320drivr has. We all deserve to get paid more. You especially deserve more money when the company is trying to buy you off to prevent you from organizing. That being the case, what the company offered is bull********************. A320 is totally in the right to feel the way he does. F the other whoa is me BS. We should all be going for it. Until then our ********************ty management teams will be looking to us to subsidize/buy their fuel for them with jobs and money.

 

[D-Bo]

I'll add that the JB pilots should shove this ******************** right back up their managements ass and organize.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

All you JB drama queens need to chill out. It wasn't everything you hoped for, but it was something. Especially, in the current climate. The rates (mostly) did go up, and provides a stronger base from which JBPA to work. Send in your card and relax.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

A320 failed to mention that the company still backs its no furlough policy as well in this new agreement. Sometimes job security is the best thing you can pull from this agreement in this turbulent times. AND some work groups even got a raise not a pink slip! If we got a raise even beyond what the PCRB recommended, these people would still whine about something...

 

[machtuck]

I agree, our Mgnt cant please these guys...It is a something in this climate and they cant see it.

 

[spitfire1500]

JB mgmt. can go straight to h e l l.

You stupid a## other places are closing the doors and laying everyone off ! Youre getting a raise while the company loses money!

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

New Pay Rates effective Sept 1. Pay over 70 hours paid at 1.5 base pay rate...

A-320 Capt/FO
1 110 40
2 119 57
3 121 67
4 124 75
5 127 79
6 128 81
7 131 82
8 132 84
9 134 86
10 137 87
11 140 89
12 147 91

E-190 Capt/Fo
1 88 40
2 90 53
3 92 55
4 94 58
5 96 61
6 98 62
7 100 64
8 102 65
9 104 66
10 106 68
11 108 69
12 110 70

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Oh well, if it's even more than those champions in the PCRB recommended, there should be dancing in the streets!

A320 failed to mention that the company still backs its no furlough policy as well in this new agreement. Sometimes job security is the best thing you can pull from this agreement in this turbulent times. AND some work groups even got a raise not a pink slip! If we got a raise even beyond what the PCRB recommended, these people would still whine about something...

 

[HomerJ]

JB mgmt. can go straight to h e l l.

A320, to come on a site like this and complain about contract improvements in this current environment is lame at best. Hundreds of good men and women, through no fault of their own, are facing NO job very shortly. Should we ALL be making more? Absolutely. Until then, you may want to ease up on the complaints on sites like this. My guess is sympathy will be hard to find.

 

[AA717driver]

D-Bo--I understand what you're saying but for anyone to get a raise in the situation we're in is amazing.

It absolutely should not influence whether JB organizes or not. If they needed a union at $70/bbl. then they STILL need one at $140.

As my friends and I prepare for our second furlough of the decade, someone being livid about only getting a 1% raise is a little hard to take.

Good luck. TC

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

It absolutely should not influence whether JB organizes or not. If they needed a union at $70/bbl. then they STILL need one at $140.

Good luck. TC

Wise words. I agree completely.

The benefits a CBA are the same they were before this announcement. They didn't have to give us anything, but we got a bit.

Send in your card.

 

[SennaP1]

Is JB still hiring?

 

[johnboy99]

Is JB still hiring?

That would be a big negative

 

[instructordude]

I'd say the biggest facial is the one TSA has done by taking on your uniform. I can't tell you apart.:laugh:

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

While I think it's terribly sad that so many great folks are in bad shape, that doesn't take away the fact that JB management has doubled their own pay. I think A320 driver has every right to be upset.

A320, to come on a site like this and complain about contract improvements in this current environment is lame at best. Hundreds of good men and women, through no fault of their own, are facing NO job very shortly. Should we ALL be making more? Absolutely. Until then, you may want to ease up on the complaints on sites like this. My guess is sympathy will be hard to find.

 

[D-Bo]

You stupid a## other places are closing the doors and laying everyone off ! Youre getting a raise while the company loses money!

Hey. Fine. Take the pittance in exchange for no union and no layoffs. You can just get layed off after you merge with someone. I'm sure the other airlines union will be extremely happy that you guys allowed yourselves to be bought off. And what's to say you can't negotiate that deal after organizing? They already offered it. That would be a starting point. You guys are in a much better spot but they have you way more scared than I am. JBLU management is blowing on that fiddle.