Jb fo pay

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

Can you really make 100k on 2nd year pay @ JB ??

 

[145 Lawndart]

Can you really make 100k on 2nd year pay @ JB ??

Short answer, No.

 

[n757st]

Short answer, No.

I disagree. It can be done. 90k is completely possible and likely, 100k requires Flica alerts and a quick smartphone during these low credit months. This all considers you hold a line and are on the bus.

 

[Splert]

Can you really make 100k on 2nd year pay @ JB ??

Have to average 108 hours of credit a month.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

I could make 150k at my airline, all need is 120 credit hours a month... I was asking what is possible and reasonable.

 

[viper01]

I'm on the E-190/fo year 5. Last few years I've avg. 83-92k without being a flica whore. Avg. 15-16 days off a month. Had a buddy of mine E-190 year 2 or 3 make 102k, but worked alot.

 

[Splert]

I could make 150k at my airline, all need is 120 credit hours a month... I was asking what is possible and reasonable.

Possible but not probable.

At JetBlue you can sell 10 hours of PTO back to the company each month as long as you have at least 100 hours of PTO.

Soooo...

Around year two if everything works you probably could credit 98 and sell 10 hour of PTO.

Or in the summer months credit 110 and sell nothing.

The key is living in JFK.

Good luck but don't count on it because everything here is subject to change. For instance, if one pilot decides to give up "Open Time must go to Reserves first" you will be lucky to credit 80 hours a month.

 

[mejorgy]

Hi Guys:
I have a half a$$ed solution so a JB pilot can potentially earn 100k in year 3ish. How about we ALL collectively lobby for a decent hourly wage, work rules, retirement and health and welfare. Oh...my bad! We had that chance...Never mind!

Looking at the bid divisors for October and the average credit hours awarded to the junior line holders in JFK... Looks kinda difficult to hit that 100k mark with 70 hour lines and 14 days off with zero open time to pick up! Just saying

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Hi Guys:
I have a half a$$ed solution so a JB pilot can potentially earn 100k in year 3ish. How about we ALL collectively lobby for a decent hourly wage, work rules, retirement and health and welfare. Oh...my bad! We had that chance...Never mind!

Looking at the bid divisors for October and the average credit hours awarded to the junior line holders in JFK... Looks kinda difficult to hit that 100k mark with 70 hour lines and 14 days off with zero open time to pick up! Just saying

I get it your pissed about the union vote but come on 70 hours and 14 days off is just not true.

The worst line I can find in the JFK E190 awards for october is 74 hours with 17 days off. The only 14 day off lines are guys working in the training department or office.

Most are around 75-85 hours with 15-18 days off. The 2 junior line holders in JFK got 82 and 83 hours with 16 days off.

Yes the hours are lower than normal but they are shrinking the JFK E190 base. The lines in BOS during this SLOW month of October are around 78-88 hours with 15-17 days off.

 

[mejorgy]

I get it your pissed about the union vote but come on 70 hours and 14 days off is just not true.

The worst line I can find in the JFK E190 awards for october is 74 hours with 17 days off. The only 14 day off lines are guys working in the training department or office.

Most are around 75-85 hours with 15-18 days off. The 2 junior line holders in JFK got 82 and 83 hours with 16 days off.

Yes the hours are lower than normal but they are shrinking the JFK E190 base. The lines in BOS during this SLOW month of October are around 78-88 hours with 15-17 days off.

Newbie.... Look at the 320 lines!

And no: I am not Pissed, I am disappointed! Big difference.........

Do me a favor.........spend at least ONE MONTH on the line before you begin expounding on how it is done around here. Fair enough?

 

[n757st]

I still am managing 90 plus hours, but I'm a Flica alert hawk to do it in Sept and Oct. The regular draw down plus being a tiny bit fat on the 320 has created this situation. I'm guessing the November and December bid divisors will be back at the 85-90 hour mark.

 

[n757st]

I get it your pissed about the union vote but come on 70 hours and 14 days off is just not true.

The worst line I can find in the JFK E190 awards for october is 74 hours with 17 days off. The only 14 day off lines are guys working in the training department or office.

Most are around 75-85 hours with 15-18 days off. The 2 junior line holders in JFK got 82 and 83 hours with 16 days off.

Yes the hours are lower than normal but they are shrinking the JFK E190 base. The lines in BOS during this SLOW month of October are around 78-88 hours with 15-17 days off.

He is right about the 320 lines, they are a little less then desirable right now. Again though, im guessing it is very temporary.

 

[mejorgy]

I still am managing 90 plus hours, but I'm a Flica alert hawk to do it in Sept and Oct. The regular draw down plus being a tiny bit fat on the 320 has created this situation. I'm guessing the November and December bid divisors will be back at the 85-90 hour mark.

Not to be challenging nor confrontational: What do you base your opinion on? How do you know the bid divisors will go back up to the 85-90 hour mark? On one thread: Everyone is happier than a pig in sh!t that there are new hires coming out of the wood-work but where are all these newbies going? Boston and New York........... How many new airframes are coming on to the property? I will tell you........ ONE 320 for the remainder of the year.

On another non challenging note: May I ask you why you entertain the idea of flying 85 to 90 hours a month? Do you really expect you will be able to sustain that kind of flying schedule for the next 10, 20 or 30 years? I for one want to see the expansion and success of Jet Blue....yes I do! And I will do what is professionally necessary to ensure the success of my company as well as my own success. But I for one do not want to live at the airport or in a blue jet! Life is too short and frankly, I made those mistakes years ago..........

Just because I was (still am) a supporter of a Collective Bargaining Agreement does not categorize me as someone who is PISSED and wants to burn the house down. Quite the opposite........ I do want to be paid and compensated with a benefit plan that commiserates to my professional skill set. Please remember this: We are Jet Blue Pilots.... Not Jet Blue Crew members!!! Huge difference........

 

[aewanabe]

I still am managing 90 plus hours, but I'm a Flica alert hawk to do it in Sept and Oct. The regular draw down plus being a tiny bit fat on the 320 has created this situation. I'm guessing the November and December bid divisors will be back at the 85-90 hour mark.

Not an option in BOS, our growing base. 5 years seniority, FLICA (it's an acronym) alerts, and doing 80 hours with 15 days off. Bidding 45 percent in the seat (320 FO).

I'm perfectly happy with 80 hours, but not really with 15 days off. I will, just barely, break 100K this year, after working my tail off this summer. It's not realistic for a 2nd year FO to do that, unless you live in base and are an RSA whore.

 

[n757st]

Not to be challenging nor confrontational: What do you base your opinion on? How do you know the bid divisors will go back up to the 85-90 hour mark? On one thread: Everyone is happier than a pig in sh!t that there are new hires coming out of the wood-work but where are all these newbies going? Boston and New York........... How many new airframes are coming on to the property? I will tell you........ ONE 320 for the remainder of the year.

On another non challenging note: May I ask you why you entertain the idea of flying 85 to 90 hours a month? Do you really expect you will be able to sustain that kind of flying schedule for the next 10, 20 or 30 years? I for one want to see the expansion and success of Jet Blue....yes I do! And I will do what is professionally necessary to ensure the success of my company as well as my own success. But I for one do not want to live at the airport or in a blue jet! Life is too short and frankly, I made those mistakes years ago..........

Just because I was (still am) a supporter of a Collective Bargaining Agreement does not categorize me as someone who is PISSED and wants to burn the house down. Quite the opposite........ I do want to be paid and compensated with a benefit plan that commiserates to my professional skill set. Please remember this: We are Jet Blue Pilots.... Not Jet Blue Crew members!!! Huge difference........

I don't disagree with you. As for why I think the divisors will go up. Well, historically hours go up in November/December, hence we will fly more. We could get 50 airplanes tomorrow... If we fly the same hours as October the divisors will stay where they are. I don't want to fly 90+ hours for the next 20 years, that's why I agree with you that we need overall higher pay rates.

Also, read my post, I said I'm guessing the divisors will go up. Look at the macro data.... October, November, and May are slow down months. You can't look at 1 or 2 months data and fit a statistical model to it. If we see 6+ months of 75 hour divisors I'll buy into the bluepilots's hysteria, until then I'll go with the historical dataset which says divisors will rise for Nov-April.

 

[n757st]

Not an option in BOS, our growing base. 5 years seniority, FLICA (it's an acronym) alerts, and doing 80 hours with 15 days off. Bidding 45 percent in the seat (320 FO).

I'm perfectly happy with 80 hours, but not really with 15 days off. I will, just barely, break 100K this year, after working my tail off this summer. It's not realistic for a 2nd year FO to do that, unless you live in base and are an RSA whore.

I'm in Boston, was JFK until recently. JFK it is completely plausible to make 100k in year 2... I'll agree Boston is more difficult. Thats why I am going to transfer back to JFK, among other reasons.

 

[TommyG]

Can anyone discuss what an average month is like sitting reserve? Call outs. Red eyes. Layovers. E190 v/s A320 and BOS v/s JFK.

 

[n757st]

Can anyone discuss what an average month is like sitting reserve? Call outs. Red eyes. Layovers. E190 v/s A320 and BOS v/s JFK.

There is no "average" on reserve. In JFK you will fly everything and anything, with above average number of trips to Ewr and Sdq.

 

[mejorgy]

I don't disagree with you. As for why I think the divisors will go up. Well, historically hours go up in November/December, hence we will fly more. We could get 50 airplanes tomorrow... If we fly the same hours as October the divisors will stay where they are. I don't want to fly 90+ hours for the next 20 years, that's why I agree with you that we need overall higher pay rates.

Also, read my post, I said I'm guessing the divisors will go up. Look at the macro data.... October, November, and May are slow down months. You can't look at 1 or 2 months data and fit a statistical model to it. If we see 6+ months of 75 hour divisors I'll buy into the bluepilots's hysteria, until then I'll go with the historical dataset which says divisors will rise for Nov-April.

I know there are a lot of fairies in Forrest Hills, but I don`t think they have magic wands capable of making 50 airframes magically appear over night!

 

[n757st]

I know there are a lot of fairies in Forrest Hills, but I don`t think they have magic wands to make 50 airframes magically appear

Lol, true. But I think you get my point. Our divisor hours are based on block hours and pilot numbers. If our hours go up, which historically they have, the divisors will go up. I just think it's premature to react at 1 or 2 months of low divisors.

 

[mejorgy]

Lol, true. But I think you get my point. Our divisor hours are based on block hours and pilot numbers. If our hours go up, which historically they have, the divisors will go up. I just think it's premature to react at 1 or 2 months of low divisors.

I have never prematurely ej....... over reacted doh! Personally....... I really don`t give a sh!t. I start 5th year next month in the Golden Land of LGB and have never seen a Line. My 75 hours comes whether I fly it or not!

You may see more of my postings on days I sit reserve bored to tears anxiously awaiting the Crack-Berry to ring so I may whisk off to the airport to pad my log book with the ever valuable SIC time. Getting online and posting is just a means to preserve my typing skills...........

 

[mejorgy]

Can anyone discuss what an average month is like sitting reserve? Call outs. Red eyes. Layovers. E190 v/s A320 and BOS v/s JFK.

JFK... A lot of dinners at Tu Casa, followed by moderate consumption of liquor at either the Kew Club or the Ale house followed up by two slices of pizza from Danny`s at 2 am. Then the constant car horns from 2am until ???? provided by the impatient drivers of Queens, NY. And then the red eye island turns to the DR or SJU. BQN is better because the booze is cheaper... and then finally the mad dash to commute home on your last day "which probably won`t happen" because you get back into JFK too late to make a commute!

I picked a bad day to quit sniffing glue!

 

[Flyer1015]

What is a FLiCa hawk? FLica is your crew schedule system, so how do you become a hawk over it? Is it automated trip drop/pick up? Is it instant approval/denial?

At my airline, you have to email scheduling, it can take 2-3 days to hear back, and by then about 10 different people have already requested something from the same trip you were requesting something out of.

 

[n757st]

What is a FLiCa hawk? FLica is your crew schedule system, so how do you become a hawk over it? Is it automated trip drop/pick up? Is it instant approval/denial?

At my airline, you have to email scheduling, it can take 2-3 days to hear back, and by then about 10 different people have already requested something from the same trip you were requesting something out of.

We have live Flica. Instant pick ups, drops, trades, etc. We also have Flica alerts, where if a trip meeting your predetermined requisites pops into the "pot", you will receive a text of the trip availability and a detailed pairing report via email. Used correctly, Flica alerts can make you money and improve quality of life.

 

[mejorgy]

What is a FLiCa hawk? FLica is your crew schedule system, so how do you become a hawk over it? Is it automated trip drop/pick up? Is it instant approval/denial?

At my airline, you have to email scheduling, it can take 2-3 days to hear back, and by then about 10 different people have already requested something from the same trip you were requesting something out of.

FLICA is the New millennium`s version of crack! Hence the terminology "FLICA WHORE" Had the Internet and FLICA been around in the 80`s....The Colombian Drug Cartels would be selling used cars instead of harvesting Cocoa. FLICA would have prevented the cocaine pandemic because it is a far more addictive drug than anything on the street.

You can always tell who the FLICA W************************* are: Skinny, perpetually tired from lack of sleep, wrinkled shirts.... you will always see them at the crew lounge or pass them in the jet bridge. But they won`t see you......WHY you ask....because they are on their i-Phones or crack-berries getting their next FLICA fix!

 

[Flyby1206]

JFK... A lot of dinners at Tu Casa, followed by moderate consumption of liquor at either the Kew Club or the Ale house followed up by two slices of pizza from Danny`s at 2 am. Then the constant car horns from 2am until ???? provided by the impatient drivers of Queens, NY. And then the red eye island turns to the DR or SJU. BQN is better because the booze is cheaper... and then finally the mad dash to commute home on your last day "which probably won`t happen" because you get back into JFK too late to make a commute!

I picked a bad day to quit sniffing glue!

Haha! So sad but so true!!

The one good thing about the slow times of year like this (Sept-early Nov) mean PRL days for reserves and a few Long-Call shifts. PRL is day when staffing is so fat they give you that day off paid. Everyone in the bid status gets one(or two), or nobody gets one. Long call is a 14hr callout, so if your commute isnt too bad you can sit at home and do that.

Im a newhire JFK 320 FO and have had two PRL days in Aug,Sept and Oct each. One Long Call shift in Aug, but two in a row for today and tomorrow.

 

[mejorgy]

Flyby...Do you reside in New Hampshire? The girl friend..soon to be wife are giving serious consideration to packing up the truck and heading east. If you do live there, any recommendations? I`m thinking southern NH no farther north than Concord. Your thoughts?

 

[sligo1]

No way in today's Jetblue environment will someone comming on property now, make 100,000 in year 2. People use to do it through soft time (deadheads, RSA etc.). Those day's are long gone unless we get a whole bunchof new flying.

 

[Flyby1206]

Flyby...Do you reside in New Hampshire? The girl friend..soon to be wife are giving serious consideration to packing up the truck and heading east. If you do live there, any recommendations? I`m thinking southern NH no farther north than Concord. Your thoughts?

Born and raised! Loads of pilots live here, and I would recommend the Seacoast area for an easy commute to BOS. Check out Hampton, North Hampton, Portsmouth, Greenland, Stratham, Exeter areas. All of those would put you within about 1:15 from the employee lot, and have good school systems (if thats something youre looking for). Newfields, Newmarket, Dover are also decent towns with slightly cheaper prices. Durham is on the map there as well, but ridiculous property taxes and pretty much a college town.

Manchester/Nashua area is an even cheaper alternative, but the traffic on Rt-93 can suck for morning rush hour. Plus I think the seacoast is a bit nicer in general when it comes to activities, restaurants, ocean, etc.

Concord would be a pretty good haul if you were on reserve, but if youll be a lineholder then it is no prob.

Good luck, send me a PM if you have any specifics about the area

 

[hoover84]

Second year f/o with a 88 hour month.....easy to do
base 69*78= 5,382
10 hrs prem 103*10= 1,030
10 hrs.sell back 103*10= 1,030
total 7,442$