Jb fo pay

[n757st]

Second year fo.

Average 100 credit, 90 block / month. (training, pto, vaca to keep total below 1000yr)

78*69=5382
22 premium = 2227
20 hour night override = 260

Total 94,428

Per diem:
Avg 600/month * 12 months = 7200

Total: 101,628

Not saying per diem should be included, and you need to work for my numbers, but it's possible, just not the most probable. 90k is certainly possible and likely if you include per diem.

 

[AAbyDefault]

Holy sh$&t Mikey, you getting married again??....

 

[sligo1]

Second year fo.

Average 100 credit, 90 block / month. (training, pto, vaca to keep total below 1000yr)

78*69=5382
22 premium = 2227
20 hour night override = 260

Total 94,428

Per diem:
Avg 600/month * 12 months = 7200

Total: 101,628

Not saying per diem should be included, and you need to work for my numbers, but it's possible, just not the most probable. 90k is certainly possible and likely if you include per diem.

Sorry per diem doesn't count and I bet you won't get 100 hrs in Sept or Oct. Night over ride indicates your junority. Island turns and red eyes, day sleep etc. By the way 90 block you'll credit out in Nov if all is true. So my friend the numbers don't work. Jetblue pay's Zero if you time out.

 

[n757st]

Sorry per diem doesn't count and I bet you won't get 100 hrs in Sept or Oct. Night over ride indicates your junority. Island turns and red eyes, day sleep etc. By the way 90 block you'll credit out in Nov if all is true. So my friend the numbers don't work. Jetblue pay's Zero if you time out.

95 hrs for sept, 90 for Oct. 20 hrs of credit for training, using some vacation. I won't time out. Again, I'm not saying it's probable, just possible. 85-90 k is much more plausible.

 

[pilot22]

A little off thread but I am trying to decide that if I go to JB which ac to bid for. I like both aircraft. There are factors like QOL, Red eye flights , overnights, commutability, pay that I am also trying to get educated about.
1. As a new hire, junior pilot out JFK for example what would life be like on the bus.
How many red eye flights per bid? Are you constantly flopping back and forth between day and night flights.
2. Are there a lot of overnights out of the country and for how long? 24 hours or more?

Any insight would be helpful. Thanks in advance.

 

[Flyby1206]

A little off thread but I am trying to decide that if I go to JB which ac to bid for. I like both aircraft. There are factors like QOL, Red eye flights , overnights, commutability, pay that I am also trying to get educated about.
1. As a new hire, junior pilot out JFK for example what would life be like on the bus.
How many red eye flights per bid? Are you constantly flopping back and forth between day and night flights.
2. Are there a lot of overnights out of the country and for how long? 24 hours or more?

Any insight would be helpful. Thanks in advance.

3 months on reserve JFK 320 FO- July/August were busy months, lots of red eye turns to the Caribbean (depart JFK @ midnight, fly to SDQ/STI/PUJ/BQN/PSE/SJU, sit for an hour, fly back to jfk and arrive between 7am-9am). The good part about the red eye turns on reserve is that they cant use you for anything until 8am the next day. So you basically get 24hrs off which helps get re-acclimated. This same rule goes for any red eye flying where you fly more than 2hrs between 0100-0500 base local time.

The multi day trips can be difficult when you have a day sleep thrown in the pairing, but I havent had any of those yet. I have had lots of 3day trips where you leave JFK between 8pm-midnight, fly to destination, ~24hrs off, come back the next night and arrive JFK 7-9am. 3 of those trips have been domestic (SMF, LAS, LAS) and 3 have been int'l (SDQ, SDQ, SDQ).

You can bid for trips on reserve the day prior, and I bid for all of those above trips except 1 SDQ. It works out well to bid for those type of 3day trips when you finish on the last day of your reserve days at 8am and head home early.

For september I have flown two of those SDQ 3days and 1 day turn JFK-MCO-JFK for 26hrs total credit. Only 2 days left of reserve this month and I doubt ill get used for anything.

 

[aewanabe]

2nd year FO will almost certainly not credit 88 hours consistently, and also will not have 10 hours PTO to sell every month. 2nd year EMB FO makes 62, not 68, and 2nd year 320 guy will likely be in reserve. Pay is decent here, but let's be realistic instead of giving new guys the bluethysphere ideal.

 

[SennaP1]

Thanks for all the replies.

It's easy to see that you will make more that a mid-seniority CA at a regional by year 2.

 

[Baronman]

Thanks for all the replies.

It's easy to see that you will make more that a mid-seniority CA at a regional by year 2.

Mmmmmm..not easy for me to see and I'm a mid-seniority CA at a regional. I see how maybe you can work the system as much as possible, but I can do that right now and make more.

The way I see it a 2-3rd year FO at JB is in the same ballpark.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

Mmmmmm..not easy for me to see and I'm a mid-seniority CA at a regional. I see how maybe you can work the system as much as possible, but I can do that right now and make more.

The way I see it a 2-3rd year FO at JB is in the same ballpark.

Agree. Seems like a lot of working it for 85k, ( if that ) All to never see the left seat and leave when AA,UAL hires. I'll stay in my 700/900 and wait it out, and avoid 2 paycuts.

 

[Smarta$$]

Agree. Seems like a lot of working it for 85k, ( if that ) All to never see the left seat and leave when AA,UAL hires. I'll stay in my 700/900 and wait it out, and avoid 2 paycuts.

Good.

 

[mejorgy]

Holy sh$&t Mikey, you getting married again??....

JG........ Never was known for being very smart! I need someone to watch the dog "JACK" when i am gone. Good excuse for getting married......right?

How are momma and the kiddies?

 

[BeachBummer]

85-90 k is much more plausible.

Have to agree with 757. If you make 100k on second yr pay here you are... well your doing something right. I'd say if you work at it your much more likely to make 75-90k.

 

[say again]

Newhires are excited, they want to work, so I can see them working a few extra hrs. I was the same when i was hired by my first airline. Things certainly change after year 2 or so.

 

[AAbyDefault]

JG........ Never was known for being very smart! I need someone to watch the dog "JACK" when i am gone. Good excuse for getting married......right?

How are momma and the kiddies?

Lol.....everyone is good, I'll leave the light on for ya in BOS even though you are senior to me

 

[cowboy55]

If you live in base 100K your second year is possible on the bus. You have to be a line holder and work hard though.

 

[pilot22]

If you live in base 100K your second year is possible on the bus. You have to be a line holder and work hard though.

How long will you be on reserve in JFK on the bus if you're getting hired around this time?

Thanks

 

[BeachBummer]

if nothing changes as of today 6 months -/+ ish.

 

[TDK90]

How about the 190 at JFK and BOS?

 

[Limeyflyer]

How about the 190 at JFK and BOS?

BOS 190 I am hearing 3 months

 

[Otto77]

How about the 190 at JFK and BOS?

About 3 at BOS and 3 at JFK. That is only due to the system bid at JFK that just moved a bunch of FOs out. Good times!

 

[gearjockey]

Agree. Seems like a lot of working it for 85k, ( if that ) All to never see the left seat and leave when AA,UAL hires. I'll stay in my 700/900 and wait it out, and avoid 2 paycuts.

Lets Hope you get hired at aa/ual. Sometimes it doesn't work out that way though. I would rather be at jb than stuck at a contract carrier. There's nothing wrong with that. I saw a lot of guys at comair try for other jobs in the 90's and, through circumstance, end up at comair after 20 yrs. For most of them, comair (pre-pft) was their first interview experience. It takes a couple of tries to get rid of the yips, guess. Good luck though.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

Have you seen the projected retirement numbers of the legacies ??

True a contract carrier may not be the best however, my scope is better than JBs.. Good luck with that come merger time.

What was the newcast regarding JB and disposing of the 190 anyway ??

 

[MikeSF340]

You have some good reasons for not leaving your comfy 700/900. However, when I decided to leave my regional I had some reasons. The other response is correct, there are no guarentees that you will be hired at the major of your choice. A lot can go wrong in an interview and no one is amune to that, no matter how many pilots are retiring. Something as simple as a failed PC, altitude incursion, incident, speeding ticket, etc. can seriously affect your chances of getting hired. Everyone has there reasons and I'm not knocking yours. Good luck with whatever you do.

 

[Smarta$$]

Have you seen the projected retirement numbers of the legacies ??

True a contract carrier may not be the best however, my scope is better than JBs.. Good luck with that come merger time.

What was the newcast regarding JB and disposing of the 190 anyway ??

You have it all figured out. Please don't come to JetBlue.

 

[BeachBummer]

What was the newcast regarding JB and disposing of the 190 anyway ??

I don't know what was that? Last time I checked the fleet was to be 75. That's 32 more than we have now... O'well, enjoy your legacy... wait you fly a crj. good luck getting to the legacy!

 

[Heavy Set]

From my recent conversations with some JB pilots it sounds like the airline is basically two separate airlines when you consider the E190 and Airbus operations. The E190 sounds more like a regional in terms of routes and flight frequencies whereas the Airbus sounds like more of a "country club" (their quote - not mine) with 1-3 sectors per day including transcons. Trying for 100+ hours on a "regional" schedule sounds brutal - especially when flying around the NE.

For the people who can do it and want to fly 100+ hours month after month my hat is off to you.

 

[fraitguy]

Have you seen the projected retirement numbers of the legacies ??

True a contract carrier may not be the best however, my scope is better than JBs.. Good luck with that come merger time.

What was the newcast regarding JB and disposing of the 190 anyway ??

Thats's the whole point of a regional, no scope. I wouldn't worry about any future interviews though, you seem completely in control of your emotions. Just go in there and pretend you're Rick Perry and you'll do fine. Bang bang!

 

[aewanabe]

Missing the point?

Have you seen the projected retirement numbers of the legacies ??

True a contract carrier may not be the best however, my scope is better than JBs.. Good luck with that come merger time.

What was the newcast regarding JB and disposing of the 190 anyway ??

CG, no hate from me. Do what makes you happy. I think you're being short-sighted on a couple of fronts though. First of all, I'm 99 percent sure you're at Mesa; if APC is accurate you're making in the neighborhood of 85 bucks an hour to hold left seat in a 700 or 900.

The problem is, you're maxed at that level, and your airline has already had one near-death experience. You may have great scope in your CBA but scope at a contract carrier is an illusion, only as good as the next RFP (See Comair, Independence, Express Jet, etc). Or your previously sane CEO's decision to buy and then destroy a couple narrow-body brands and ruin your financial performance.

Although you would take a cut the first 2-3 years, you would break even pay-wise year 3 or so in the 190, and 2nd year in the 320. So, you're comparing your maximum income potential with the minimum here. Additionally our workrules, although we still need improvement, make it easier to find soft time when compared to most regionals (TAFB rig, 100 percent DH, block-or-better by leg, etc). For the most part we stay in nicer hotels, have nicer crew lounges, do less outstation sits, etc. All minor points but they contribute your level of fatigue for a given trip.

Don't get me wrong, we have plenty that needs fixing here, and I'm really disappointed we haven't matured to the CBA level vs. playing with the Student Council. Nobody's begging you to reconsider your choices, but you should really have all the info when doing your long-range career planning. Just some friendly food-for-thought.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

CG, no hate from me. Do what makes you happy. I think you're being short-sighted on a couple of fronts though. First of all, I'm 99 percent sure you're at Mesa; if APC is accurate you're making in the neighborhood of 85 bucks an hour to hold left seat in a 700 or 900.

The problem is, you're maxed at that level, and your airline has already had one near-death experience. You may have great scope in your CBA but scope at a contract carrier is an illusion, only as good as the next RFP (See Comair, Independence, Express Jet, etc). Or your previously sane CEO's decision to buy and then destroy a couple narrow-body brands and ruin your financial performance.

Although you would take a cut the first 2-3 years, you would break even pay-wise year 3 or so in the 190, and 2nd year in the 320. So, you're comparing your maximum income potential with the minimum here. Additionally our workrules, although we still need improvement, make it easier to find soft time when compared to most regionals (TAFB rig, 100 percent DH, block-or-better by leg, etc). For the most part we stay in nicer hotels, have nicer crew lounges, do less outstation sits, etc. All minor points but they contribute your level of fatigue for a given trip.

Don't get me wrong, we have plenty that needs fixing here, and I'm really disappointed we haven't matured to the CBA level vs. playing with the Student Council. Nobody's begging you to reconsider your choices, but you should really have all the info when doing your long-range career planning. Just some friendly food-for-thought.

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I appreciate it..

However, I don't see whats so great about being a junior FO for many years to come in the 190 in JFK or BOS ? All to make the same pay I am now, our pay scale goes to 105 an hour.

JB has to nearly double in size before I will ever see the left seat. I don't think that is possible. Seeing the legacys are cutting capacity in the coming years.

Its a gamble, I know. Its just a personal choice. Good luck to all