It's Official: USAirways Wants American

[Crzipilot]

Wanna bet on that? I know you could use the money. Seeing as you have been the lowest paid pilots for 10 years.

We are about even then, As prior to that 10 yrs YOU were the lowest paid pilot.....Oh wait. You werent even at AWA then, Which regional did you come from and what was your pay scale in the 80's/90's?

Was mesa around then??? I dunno I was flying Hvy freight around the world at the time making some decent shekkles in a number of projects, so didn't really know what the regional world consisted of.

 

[abefly]

AND AND the transition agreement can be changed, AND AND APA when they have single carrier status can use something other than the NIC.....

And And they will then have to answer to your new lawsuit after contract is voted in. As the 9th said, not until a list is VOTED in can you file. (ripeness) And then even with that, it is unknown as to whether anything other than the NIC would consititue a DFR.


See simply from your view point, you think anything other than NIC would consititute a DFR. The problem is....your view point means this much 0.

The courts will look at the whole thing as a common man would and decide if the end result is fair or not. 13k vs 1.3k....hmmmmm

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Ok . Want to bet on that? I was at in Judge Wakes courtroom. I have read every USAPA update. I feel educated enough to make a nice friendly bet.

How about a thousand bucks says the list will be the nic? You in?

 

[abefly]

Oh wait, what was I thinking bettng with an Eastie. Even if I win he won't pay up. Because they lack the integrity to follow through on agreements.

Disregard

 

[abefly]

We are about even then, As prior to that 10 yrs YOU were the lowest paid pilot.....Oh wait. You werent even at AWA then, Which regional did you come from and what was your pay scale in the 80's/90's?

Was mesa around then??? I dunno I was flying Hvy freight around the world at the time making some decent shekkles in a number of projects, so didn't really know what the regional world consisted of.

Yup, and I have plenty of time to save for my nice retirement?

How about you?

 

[ultrarunner]

Nic won't get overturned. If it were, then there would be no use any longer for federal arbitrators and no need for a law allowing for binding-arbitration in the collective-bargaining process.

The big-picture of this lawsuit is not who gets what number, although that is the end result. The big-picture is about a federally accepted process, and IMHO, a judge is NOT going to rule against that process and set the precedent that no longer recognizes an agreed-to arbitration award. Just not going to happen.

 

[Crzipilot]

But this process wasn't a federally mandated arbitration was it? Wasn't an internal ALPA arbitration? That is binding on two ALPA parties?

Yup, got plenty of time to save too my friend over 25 years here....

 

[Crzipilot]

I have a feeling I'm talking with a bunch of '02-05 hires. They know if they click their heels enough, the NIC will be used.

If the NIC is used, these guys will gain an unimaginable windfall. almost equal to the guy that who's birthday was just after they changed the rule to 65.......

 

[abefly]

I have a feeling I'm talking with a bunch of '02-05 hires. They know if they click their heels enough, the NIC will be used.

If the NIC is used, these guys will gain an unimaginable windfall. almost equal to the guy that who's birthday was just after they changed the rule to 65.......

over 30 years here. You must be a '99 hire who was on the street when the merger happened.

And a bunch of 02-05 hires who will be senior to you. That is the problem isn't it?

 

[ultrarunner]

But this process wasn't a federally mandated arbitration was it?...

No, it was not, it was a mutually agreed upon process and arbitrator....

But the CBA's still under the jurisdiction of the RLA.

 

[waveflyer]

We are about even then, As prior to that 10 yrs YOU were the lowest paid pilot.....Oh wait. You werent even at AWA then, Which regional did you come from and what was your pay scale in the 80's/90's?

Was mesa around then??? I dunno I was flying Hvy freight around the world at the time making some decent shekkles in a number of projects, so didn't really know what the regional world consisted of.

I'm not involved, but as a former commuter and regional pilot, I would have no problem telling you to ******************** off. We are airline pilots. And the best airline pilots come from the regionals and commuters as they have been doing the job from the beginning.
As for $$, Pilots comparing sheckles is ridiculous -the highest paid among us do ok- but it's nothing to brag about in the scheme of things and you'd still need a ton of capital to get any real venture off the ground-
"I'm the shiniest penny!!"
"no! I am!"

 

[Guppiedriver]

But this process wasn't a federally mandated arbitration was it? Wasn't an internal ALPA arbitration? That is binding on two ALPA parties?

Yup, got plenty of time to save too my friend over 25 years here....

So, all you have to do is change the name of the union and you will not be held responsible for your previous agreements?

 

[ackattacker]

Well, we can see where this thread is going.

 

[abefly]

Well, we can see where this thread is going.

sorry ackattacker, I was trying to have an educated discussion with you. Until CRZ got involved.

 

[Crzipilot]

Well ABE, you were the one that wanted to start swapping W2's.....

As to simply changing names to get out of obligations. Well that's where the loop hole is. The obligation and the process was an ALPA process. Two ALPA mec's agreed to an ALPA process. Before that process was completed, which includes, as per the TA, a new combined CBA, solidifying that SLI arbitration known as the NIC. Something changed. A union was voted out and another one was voted in. This union had it's own processes so it was back to square one.

Bottom line, the ALPA process was never completed. So how does an ALPA process get stuck to a new entity? You just agreed that the arbitration was an ALPA process.

 

[Crzipilot]

And wave, wasn't dumping on commuter pilots. Was dumping simply on ABE as he wanted to bring w2's in the equation...