It's Official...The 717's are going to Delta

[Lear70]

Lear, I'm a little lost, whats the ramifications here again? Sorry, I'm being stupid today.

Nah, it's probably just lost in the 3 cross-conversations going on at the same time.

Bubba made a comment about the company having to come to SWAPA for relief when the timeline obviously isn't going to allow for Complete Operational Integration by 1/1/15 and the truth is, they probably will, but I don't think SWA has as good of a hand in that scenario as Bubba does.

Southwest has crafted the SIA very, very well, from the perspective of "legal advantage".

 

[WayBack]

So after Delta pilot vote to give up more scope, which regional is getting the 717's?

 

[scoreboardII]

Thanks Lear, thats clear. Yes, SWA has been known to use lawyers in their history.

 

[avi8tor007]

Hey guys. 12 yr AAI guy here. Last year I was at 198k not including 401k. I am at 163/hr right now. By the end of our AAI contract (14'), we would be at 186/hr. With the loss of flying on our side, losing those pay increases (extra 25-30k), cpt. seats., and the 1/1/15 pay. that hurts! It is what it is, not a damn thing anyone of us can do about it. Just wanted to throw some factual numbers out there.
I am sympathetic to the swa F/O's as well! Were are all in this together now, hopefully growth in 14' out of hobby???????

 

[GlobeIII]

our AAI contract (14'),

Was that the contract you guys got before or after SWA announced they were going to acquire you?

 

[redflyer65]

New contract was after SW made the announcement. Almost to year four on this side, should be close to 160k this year, without 401k.

 

[OakRBust]

aviator007..... That's 1214.7 hours. How the hell did you do that?

 

[Lear70]

Last year there was plenty of premium pay to go around if you wanted it. Not to mention our reserves were crediting upwards of 110-120 hours a month because of Twomey-Kasher before the new contract went into effect December before last.

Depending on where he's sitting and how hard he's willing to work, 100 hours of credit a month wasn't hard to do last year. Heck, my buddy on the 717 still does almost 100 hours a month even on the crappy lines we have now. Granted, he flies 20 days a month, but still, it can be done if you're willing to only have 9-10 days off a month...

 

[PCL_128]

aviator007..... That's 1214.7 hours. How the hell did you do that?

Really not that hard. I'm crediting over 100 this month.

 

[avi8tor007]

Actually just went and looked and it was pretty close. There was a lot of soft time over here for us fags. plus per diem, vacation, sick, etc... But was still pulling 15-16 off a month.

 

[Crash Pad]

I just haven't seen (AA/TWA, US/AWA, DAL/NWA, UAL/CAL or any regional airline integration) where the smaller airline loses all their captain seats.

Shuttle America lost all their captain seats when Chautauqua bought them in '05. Lost their longevity as well.

 

[PCL_128]

Shuttle America lost all their captain seats when Chautauqua bought them in '05. Lost their longevity as well.

Shuttle America was bankrupt and losing their airplanes.

 

[Speedtape]

So, the question remains.... Would this trigger the AirTran fragmentation policy allowing a certain amount of AirTran pilots to go to Delta under the ALPA merger policy?

PCL-128?

No, but it will trigger 68 more 76-seat RJs to the 223 cap.

 

[Lear70]

I miss premium time...

I get FLICA alerts and haven't seen a single premium trip in months... sucks. Last year I made bank with those, dropping one trip a month and waiting for the premium to show up. These new line values and block hours blow.

 

[waveflyer]

SWA says 'You're welcome' for that contract you currently have. No sweat.

 

[PCL_128]

SWA says 'You're welcome' for that contract you currently have. No sweat.

 

[waveflyer]

Ahh- nice signature PCL-
The old "stay classy" = "go f^ck yourself"

I cannot wait until AT gets absorbed into the group- so they will not be subjected to your constant negativity-

And as for "rollseyes"- of course SWA had nothing to do with your latest contract- all just a big coincidence- nothing but a big tough win for PCL and ATALPA- I'm sure you wouldve got much more if Swa didn't come around and buy you-

 

[malibuVride]

I'm surprised nobody responded accurately to this:

What I see is a ATL base opening on the SWA side next 12 months, and the draw down of the AT base. So when you bid to come to SWA, you bid right back into ATL and fly what your Seniority can hold.

This isn't very likely. SWA doesn't have an ATL domicile. If one is announced, it will be treated as a new domicile just like LAS, DEN, etc. Giving trannies any preference would be against the SWAPA cba.

As ATL is an east coast city, and SWA has so many pilots waiting for east coast bases, I can't imagine the SWA pilots waiving that to make trannies happy.

Bottom line: When SWA announces an ATL base, it will be filled in seniority order which means RSW pilots will get plenty of those slots.

 

[Crash Pad]

Shuttle America was bankrupt and losing their airplanes.

Incorrect. They were actually turning a profit. They lost the captains seats in arbitration because the arbitrator chose CHQ's proposal exactly as it was presented.

 

[texman]

I'm surprised nobody responded accurately to this:

This isn't very likely. SWA doesn't have an ATL domicile. If one is announced, it will be treated as a new domicile just like LAS, DEN, etc. Giving trannies any preference would be against the SWAPA cba.

As ATL is an east coast city, and SWA has so many pilots waiting for east coast bases, I can't imagine the SWA pilots waiving that to make trannies happy.

Bottom line: When SWA announces an ATL base, it will be filled in seniority order which means RSW pilots will get plenty of those slots.

uh, re read my post.