It's Official...The 717's are going to Delta

[carl p]

As usual, the truth is probably in between Wave & Lear...reality in both your posts. It would help if our management would announce an ATL base and pay parity, just my .02.

 

[Tweet-a-Lishus]

Carl, pay parity, you have to be kidding right. You are already getting a pay raise. Pay parity, now that is funny.

 

[funnyman12]

Actually my pay is down year over year due to less flying and instead of 11.5% match, i now get a 9.3%. It will only get worse as flying is reduced further. Those are factd not bs numbers.

 

[Tweet-a-Lishus]

Well, hopefully when the partition comes down there will be enough flying for us all to have long prosperous careers.

 

[PCL_128]

Then what's it about?

Seriously?

Seniority. Captain seats. An Atlanta domicile. Etc.

I agree with the above posters who say that a simple thing like announcing a permanent ATL domicile would go a long way towards easing some concerns. That's something that a company who truly believed in the "Golden Rule" would have done in their announcement email. Instead, we're left completely in the dark, wondering what exactly is going to happen to us.

Sorry we can't all be so positive, Wave, but we just aren't "feeling the LUV" yet.

 

[Lear70]

Everyone is down from about 80-85 hours of credit pre-merger to right around Guarantee now.

It will fluctuate here and there, but even our summer numbers won't go over 80 hours average credit. They yanked a LOT of capacity out of the system when they pulled all those cities late last year and early this year.

 

[scoreboardII]

this just doesn't add up, get rid of jets, get less jets, keep same number of bodies= overstaffed by 15-20%.

 

[tankerhead]

this just doesn't add up, get rid of jets, get less jets, keep same number of bodies= overstaffed by 15-20%.

Agreed. "Something's screwy here!"

 

[redflyer65]

I honestly think the GO will announce an ATL domicle before all this hits the fan. I'm very optomistic about that piece of the puzzle. I don't see SW wanting to crank up the hotel cost there when we (collectively) have so many pilots that live there.

 

[PCL_128]

I honestly think the GO will announce an ATL domicle before all this hits the fan.

It's already hit the fan, red. Our pilots are livid, and not just the usual suspects. SWA management couldn't possibly have handled this any worse. They need to engage in some massive damage control. Waiting weeks or months to make those sorts of announcements will only allow the anger to fester. Not good.

 

[funnyman12]

I think this is the most pissed ive seen our pilot group. Unbelievable.....PCL is right, this has upset the rank and file greatly. Then Chase boasts about the SW fo's upgrades. We do represent 25% of the list, why the heck rub our faces in the mud!!

 

[Lear70]

An ATL base was already coming, it was just a matter of time. Doesn't do much to help the 300 out of 500 717 CA's that just got the rug yanked out from under them, or the 2/3 of our pilots who really don't care to be in ATL anyway. Jamie's seniority calculator shows guys wanting to go all over the system, ATL isn't everyone's first choice by any means.

The only real thing that would help is to snap up the pay rates now like they were going to back on April 1st with SIA 1.

We can't get our seniority back, we can't get those CA seats back, we can't get our previous credit hours back that we're losing every month...

The only salve for this is the pay rates - it's the only thing they really have to give us that benefits everyone here, besides Pay Protection for those displaced CA's, which management told us time and time again they will not do.

I agree with my coworkers, pay parity now is what is called for here.

 

[redflyer65]

It's already hit the fan, red. Our pilots are livid, and not just the usual suspects. SWA management couldn't possibly have handled this any worse. They need to engage in some massive damage control. Waiting weeks or months to make those sorts of announcements will only allow the anger to fester. Not good.

PCL, I completely understand and that is with the utmost sincerity. We, as a group have a little more time before this really gets cranking and hopefully the GO will get some damage control going. I hope we get more info from Gary et all about where all these decisons are headed. Even if we are fat on pilots later, I don't see Gary reaching for the F lever. He will do everything he can to keep us all on property.

 

[canyonblue]

Pay parity just ain't gonna happen. And if you are walking around with anger, let it go, it won't help you with anything.

 

[General Lee]

this just doesn't add up, get rid of jets, get less jets, keep same number of bodies= overstaffed by 15-20%.

Same thing happened at Delta over the last 8 months. Huge Capacity pulldown. Most lines were near 70 hours from OCT to MAY of this year. June finally picked up the slack.


Bye Bye---General Lee