It's Official...The 717's are going to Delta

[Lear70]

My gut tells me you didnt read VDV's letter very close. He said lift will be the same, not a 1:1 conversion of 717s to 737s. Our fleet will shrink. Count on it.

Winner.

 

[StopNTSing]

I think there are only 17 DC9s left, and they will supposedly stick around until 2014. We are also adding 27 MD90s this year, maybe more the next, and 100 737-900s start coming in this Summer, but they are set to replace some older 757s and domestic 767s. I think there will be some hiring.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Thanks for the info, GL. Thought you guys still had many more -9s in the fleet.

 

[StopNTSing]

My gut tells me you didnt read VDV's letter very close. He said lift will be the same, not a 1:1 conversion of 717s to 737s. Our fleet will shrink. Count on it.

I won't count on it, but won't count the possibilty out either. There are so many other factors that could influence fleet size over the next few years (like who's in the White House come Jan '13, among others) that we'll just have to wait & see...

 

[StopNTSing]

Net gain of mainline aircraft will be more than 88 planes. 100 737-900s on the way.

How many 757s will those be replacing?

 

[saabcaptain]

the fleet will shrink. they will save jobs by using retirements and asking for concessions or pay freezes in the section 6. this adds years to upgrades for any southwest first officer who doesn't upgrade by 2015 although it will allow more to do so before then.

 

[777forever]

How many 757s will those be replacing?

A few 757s and a few 767. Not many. Mostly growth

 

[COpilot]

We'd better accept that dog of a TA fast so we don't loose the 717s!!!

You don't have to make light of the situation; when all is said and done we both know it's going to pass. My guess 57% approval.

No flame, just how votes seem to always go in this modern age.

 

[KarmaPolice]

This is still no reason to vote in that POS TA. Does anyone actually believe that if the pilots vote it down that Delta management is going to alter it's long term business plan? These planes are going to come to you regardless. Please raise the bar for us. We at UniCal are counting on you.

If this TA passes, it will be the selfish senior butt holes who sell out the entire pilot profession. THERE IS NO REASON TO GIVE ONE INCH ON SCOPE! WE ARE MAKING BILLIONS!!!!!

 

[amcnd]

Net gain of mainline aircraft will be more than 88 planes. 100 737-900s on the way. Net gain of regional aircraft will be -200 50 seaters plus 70 76 seaters= total net gain of -130 DCI. That flying will be replaced by 717s

Win Win

Don't forget the MD90's.....

 

[Jiminmem]

You don't have to make light of the situation; when all is said and done we both know it's going to pass. My guess 57% approval.

No flame, just how votes seem to always go in this modern age.

As much as I hate this TA, that is the way I see it going.

 

[Homer Jay]

Does the DL TA not raise your rates dramatically? DL TA rates look like about a 50% pay increase for a 12 year United 320 FO.

Who gives a rats a$$ about rates when you give away so much flying!? I'm all for larger RJ's provided they are flown by mainline. I really hope the majority see this for what it is...a POS.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I look at what you guys are trying to do at UCAL with the RJs, and we just totally BONED you. We should be concerned about the welfare of our profession in general, and that means jobs at mainline. It will be purely selfish reasons if we at Delta pass this TA. I apologize in advance to the rest of you. I filled out my survey, I called my reps, I will vote no, but this P.O.S. will probably pass.

 

[waveflyer]

Which is what I was advocating a month and a half ago and is what got ALPA started developing contingency plans for this... it was the last thing I did on the NC before shuffling to CCC.

That's why we have a plan in place, and now that we know how the deal is structured, the MEC can move forward dealing with it. The only thing we know for sure, with the Southwest response to Jim's letter of yesterday, is that it's not going to be anything quick in terms of "benefit" to offset this massive loss.

Be patient, and try not to get your blood pressure up over things we can't control. They made a business decision that is different than what they told us during negotiations and road shows. How they deal with that and the fallout in terms of employee morale that they have to integrate remains to be seen.

I remain hopeful that something positive comes of this for all of us...

Hopeful, yet still thinking swa ( all of us not just mgmt) will respond in any other way if a group attempts to hold our culture as leverage against swa. This was always a probability Lear- you will do your members a disservice if you approach it too militantly- look out for yourselves- but what's bolder above is what got you a very real visit from herb and Colleen last time- our culture is NOT a point of leverage for ANY group here.

 

[nwaf16dude]

If this TA passes, it will be the selfish senior butt holes who sell out the entire pilot profession. THERE IS NO REASON TO GIVE ONE INCH ON SCOPE! WE ARE MAKING BILLIONS!!!!!

There's really not much in this TA for the senior guys. Pay raise is minimal, only 1% increase to the DC. Most of the benefit is to reserve guys and guys that might be able to upgrade to the left seat of a 717.

 

[humveedriver]

Hopeful, yet still thinking swa ( all of us not just mgmt) will respond in any other way if a group attempts to hold our culture as leverage against swa. This was always a probability Lear- you will do your members a disservice if you approach it too militantly- look out for yourselves- but what's bolder above is what got you a very real visit from herb and Colleen last time- our culture is NOT a point of leverage for ANY group here.

Stop posting this garbage. We are supposed to be on the same team now. You don't have an empathetic bone your body. Good for you. This still has to pass the Delta pilot group first.