It's all the pilots fault.....

[FamilyGuy]

If this union is so bad for the company then why, under the former union which did little or nothing for us, were the contracts as poor and miserable as the one we were offered in December?

Can you guys at least be consistent in your arguments? Is everything bad as the above post claims or just the pay as the two below claim? Was the old union terrible and ineffective, or did they deliver on everything but pay?

Our union has delivered on most things, just not pay. The other frax best us only on pay, and it's just a couple of grand more a year.

Netjets is a great company, except for the money. The schedule is great, the benefits are very good, job security is unmatched, the airplanes are well maintained, and despite the current bickering, the company follows the FARs to the letter. Yes, you can make 100k+ at joe's sh^t ball 135 charter company where you're only on call 24/7 seven days a week, you have to carry mx items all the time, cause that's the way the business is. So what if you have to ferry the airplane back if it exceeds 14 hours, it's a 91 ferry. Besides you should be happy, they paid your moving expenses when you left your childhood town to come there.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Another winter will come and go with pilots and their families going without. during this period we will have over 20% of the pilot group elligible for food stamps and the rest will just get by. I know for myself and my kids it will be another lacking holiday season. I suppose it is to be expected since its been this way for so many years.

Stop the BS....you've got other pilots on here claiming that 98% of the pilots are receiving captains pay, and you've got the union officials quoted in the Columbus Dispatch as saying that NJA pilots average between $50,000 - $72,000 per year.

Clearly this doesnt qualify for food stamps.

Again - get your stories straight and stop posting this inconsistent crap.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Stop the BS....you've got other pilots on here claiming that 98% of the pilots are receiving captains pay...

So you're saying that $37,000 per year for a turbojet captain flying the richest folks in the world is something we should be proud of, because 98% are receiving captain's pay? I made more as a regional FO. And depending where you live, on $37000 you may need food stamps.

 

[FAcFriend]

And depending where you live, on $37000 you may need food stamps.

yes, grump but the lovely thing about NJA is that you can move to an area that offers better cost of living. Most people are tied to an area based on their job - you are not.

 

[JustInfo]

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[Lord Wakefield]

And depending where you live, on $37000 you may need food stamps.

yes, grump but the lovely thing about NJA is that you can move to an area that offers better cost of living. Most people are tied to an area based on their job - you are not.

Yeah!

And the POSTA offered some really affordable places to live.

Dope.

 

[Hogprint]

And the POSTA offered some really affordable places to live.

Especially given that if we had two pay scales, and five to ten years later we all had to move to one of the five Shangri La's!

 

[Hogprint]

Famguy said :

Can you guys at least be consistent in your arguments? Is everything bad as the above post claims or just the pay as the two below claim? Was the old union terrible and ineffective, or did they deliver on everything but pay?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hogprint
Our union has delivered on most things, just not pay. The other frax best us only on pay, and it's just a couple of grand more a year.

You took this out of context. It was a comparison of non-union/union.
It was meant to reflect our current MEC.

 

[Dixon Cider]

yes, grump but the lovely thing about NJA is that you can move to an area that offers better cost of living. Most people are tied to an area based on their job - you are not.

You must not be divorced with kids. Some of us do not have that option. I wouldn't leave my kids for any amount of money. So...I am stuck at this place because I am not exactly in aviation job central. Not everyone has the luxuries you seem to think we should ALL have.

Think outside the box for a minute. Some people are tied to an area based on their family.

 

[Ultra Grump]

yes, grump but the lovely thing about NJA is that you can move to an area that offers better cost of living. Most people are tied to an area based on their job - you are not.

Tell me, how much do you suppose it would cost to move a 2 bedroom houseful of stuff and a few vehicles from, say, SFO to somewhere with a "better cost of living," say, STL (the only "affordable" gateway)? How about moving all my friends and family as well? Wanna pay for my move?

Yes we can move, but we should be paid enough so that we don't have to.

 

[Diesel]

Yeah my wife would love it if I moved to Columbus to live high on the hog for 37k.

Oh wait she can't move. But i can. Ooooh that's going to work out great.

 

[nerdpilot]

blame the top guys at your company for your low pay who paid for their jobs that didnt pay then or now. They are the ones that let management know that pilots are so stupid that they will pay thousands of dollars to come work for a low paying job just cause they love to fly so much. I only feel sorry for the bottom half of your senority list.... the rest can go cry with the commair guys.

 

[FAcFriend]

You must not be divorced with kids. Some of us do not have that option. I wouldn't leave my kids for any amount of money. So...I am stuck at this place because I am not exactly in aviation job central. Not everyone has the luxuries you seem to think we should ALL have.

Think outside the box for a minute. Some people are tied to an area based on their family.

Dixon, this is a good point. Some are tied to areas because of medical care, others are tied to areas because of elderly parents etc. How much responsiblity does any corporation have to take care of all the individual needs of employees.

Obviously the benefit to live anywhere means nothing to you- no value added.
To someone else family medical insurance means nothing- no value added.

Are we to be all things to all people?

 

[squonk]

FacFriend opined:

How much responsiblity does any corporation have to take care of all the individual needs of employees.

In todays competitive market, they better do a darn well job of taking care of employees. There is no loyalty like there was twenty or thirty years ago. Also Gov regs are taking care of some things on the job (Family medical leave act, ect..).

Are we to be all things to all people?

If they plan on attracting as many pilots as they say, they are going to have to try.

 

[FL450]

blame the top guys at your company for your low pay who paid for their jobs that didnt pay then or now. They are the ones that let management know that pilots are so stupid that they will pay thousands of dollars to come work for a low paying job just cause they love to fly so much. I only feel sorry for the bottom half of your senority list.... the rest can go cry with the commair guys.

Where did this brainiac zoom in from? Don't you have some soft field landings to practice somewhere?