It's all the pilots fault.....

Some Dude

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 15, 2005
Posts
220
Total Time
alot
Man did you guys read that funny message from Bridgeway Bob. It's your fault the plane is broken. Stupid pilots. Why can't you just keep flying broken airplanes? Don't tell the owners the truth. We can't cover up all our lies in Fort Fumble. I know the owners give the pilots the highest customer satisfaction rating of any department at NJA, but you pilots are to blame for the customers not be happy with NJA. Please pilots...Please lie to the owners for us....Please fly broken airplanes....

What a Douche!
 

squonk

Who is the gaucho, amigo?
Joined
Jul 22, 2005
Posts
242
Total Time
10k
Ol bob was sing'n the blues. If he had admitted any faults on the company's part, he almost could be taken seriously.
 

IFlyOU

Registered Loser
Joined
Dec 19, 2003
Posts
58
Total Time
1000sh
Per Bridgeway Bob:

"Is what these pilots are doing [breaking airplanes and DNIF'ing] against the rules (FARs, FOM, etc.)? Without question –

No.

Nevertheless, the above actions are having an impact on our business and the future of our
Company. Some may say that by mentioning these things we will encourage more of it because
the very few Union members who have chosen to express themselves in this way will get the
satisfaction of knowing that their actions are having an impact. So here you have it – they are
having an impact. However, the impact is not what they think. Owners are leaving our program
at rates in excess of historical levels. This means two things. One, we will have a smaller
business in the future that is able to employ fewer pilots and pay less well. Two, those pilots
who are performing the mission of the Company with their normal professional approach are
bearing the load for the others. How? They have to fly longer days to make up for those who
are “taking” themselves or their planes off the schedule at very critical times. Indirectly these
few Union members are spending everyone else’s money by driving subcontract rates above
what they would otherwise be based on demand. The money we spend on this is 3x what we
take in as revenue when we fly our Owners. In the end, we have fewer resources to meet the
mission and to pay our pilots."

Several departments in bridgeway are already on a hiring freeze (catering, travel, and soon crew services that i can think of...)

Think about it...
 
Last edited:

squonk

Who is the gaucho, amigo?
Joined
Jul 22, 2005
Posts
242
Total Time
10k
IflyOU posted:

Owners are leaving our program
at rates in excess of historical levels.

What Ol bob tried to imply was it is the pilots fault for this. He noticeably left out that owners are tired of being lied to, given the run around, and treated like cattle from OS.

those pilots
who are performing the mission of the Company with their normal professional approach are
bearing the load for the others. How? They have to fly longer days to make up for those who
are “taking” themselves or their planes off the schedule at very critical times.

You mean I've been bearing the load for FOUR YEARS now! Wow. I guess all those planned six leg days were figments of my imagination?

driving subcontract rates above
what they would otherwise be based on demand. The money we spend on this is 3x what we
take in as revenue when we fly our Owners. In the end, we have fewer resources to meet the
mission and to pay our pilots."

That is unless it's a Marquis trip. Then we're MAKING money off that deal!

Do you work for Ol bob?
 

Fracster

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 19, 2004
Posts
208
Total Time
Enough
NetJets decided a long time ago they wanted to pay regional airline salaries and make this a stepping stone for better jobs. Thats fine except they told the pilots that they were valued and that the money was coming. The pilots believed what was being said and we finally know we were lied to.

The company is going down hill and its all managements fault. They are completely in control and they know it.

Moisutre and Shamtulli would rather see NJA go under than to pay fair salaries. In their eyes if we make 100K after 5 years then the union has won and Shamtulli will never give in to the union, he says.

So there you have it. Owners are leaving the program in alarming numbers and management wants to blame the pilots. Customer satisfaction is at an all time high with the pilots.

Flex, Options and Shares and slowly growing their business and gaining market share all the while NJA management sees negotiations as a battle against the union. How single minded can you be.

NetJets will be another Eastern. Boisture will be another Lorenzo.

This time though, people will not care so much because NJA has never been that great of a place to work.
 

Lord Wakefield

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 20, 2002
Posts
241
Total Time
8500
Fracster said:
NetJets will be another Eastern. Moisture will be another Lorenzo.

Actually, Scamtulli is Lorenzo. Moisture is Borman. Read Flying the Line part 2

Fracster said:
This time though, people will not care so much because NJA has never been that great of a place to work.

Indubitably! It is very ironic that it is our apathy the is our strongest asset in this game of chicken. The company and management have so much to lose and we have so little to lose. You can't even say we're losing a potential because the company isn't even offering us that.

The company made a big mistake when they decided to pick a fight with the pilots. The pilots may lose, but this time they won't be alone.
 

Fracster

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 19, 2004
Posts
208
Total Time
Enough
The company made a big mistake when they decided to pick a fight with the pilots.[/QUOTE]

Lord Wakefield,

This is an excellent point in its most basic sense. NetJets wants everyone to think this is a typical Management/Union struggle which it is not.

Its about a very dedicated pilot group who wants to make the company a career destination. All we want is to know the company will take care of us and we will take care of it.

We are and have always been under the umbrella of a "union" but until 6 months a go we had never operated as one.

The growth of the company, the reputation the pilots established, the work we did day in and day out was built on the backs of pilots doing the very best we could.

If this union is so bad for the company then why, under the former union which did little or nothing for us, were the contracts as poor and miserable as the one we were offered in December?

Year after year NetJets makes the excuse that the money is coming, we want you guys to stay, we need your help, you are the best pilots, etc... Why? because they were smart enough to know that in order to build a company of this size they would need total cooperation from the pilot group. We were the only ones who could make all this possible. Any labor strife in the previous years could have halted much of the growth and market share.

Finally today the pilot group realizes what we have done. We built an empire with little or no return on our investment. Are we stupid, maybe, but more likely naive.

We believed we were immune to the likes of airline style management or the Enrons of the world. Why did we believe this? Because it was a new industry, we were pioneering something different and we so desperately wanted to be succesfull that we drank the koolaid or poison water(depending on which side your on).

Today, there is little or no good will left. A pilot who was terminated unjustly, for which an arbitrator agreed, is now being pursued for termination again by non-company lawyers because their internal legal staff wont touch the case.

Its a very frustrating time at NJA. A time I have never experienced as a pilot. This upcoming winter season for NetJets is going to disastrous. Pilots will DNIF and write up airplanes, all perfectly legal as Bridgeway Bob pointed out, at an alarming rate. When pilots would go the extra mile because better times were to come,well, now they know the truth.

Another winter will come and go with pilots and their families going without. during this period we will have over 20% of the pilot group elligible for food stamps and the rest will just get by. I know for myself and my kids it will be another lacking holiday season. I suppose it is to be expected since its been this way for so many years.
 

dsptchrnja

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 7, 2002
Posts
304
Total Time
00079
Anyone who read the entire communication with an open and objective mind, and care at all about this company, should be able to understand the fallacy of the destructive agenda from the minority.

Problem is, the 5% who are causing the problems may end up being the only ones who get what they want.

Unfortunately, it's unlikey someone like that will ever see his own selfishness for what it is because he will never take responsibility for his own unfulfilled expectations and demands.
 

Lord Wakefield

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 20, 2002
Posts
241
Total Time
8500
El Chupacabra said:
Hey! Thats what I said when Mr Bill cried poor on the infamous POSTA DVD!

Nah, no violins, just a drum roll at dawn while I had it shot to pieces by a squad of cub scouts in my court yard... Thankfully, there were no cameras.
 

FamilyGuy

Well-known member
Joined
May 12, 2005
Posts
581
Fracster said:
If this union is so bad for the company then why, under the former union which did little or nothing for us, were the contracts as poor and miserable as the one we were offered in December?

Can you guys at least be consistent in your arguments? Is everything bad as the above post claims or just the pay as the two below claim? Was the old union terrible and ineffective, or did they deliver on everything but pay?

Hogprint said:
Our union has delivered on most things, just not pay. The other frax best us only on pay, and it's just a couple of grand more a year.

beytzim said:
Netjets is a great company, except for the money. The schedule is great, the benefits are very good, job security is unmatched, the airplanes are well maintained, and despite the current bickering, the company follows the FARs to the letter. Yes, you can make 100k+ at joe's sh^t ball 135 charter company where you're only on call 24/7 seven days a week, you have to carry mx items all the time, cause that's the way the business is. So what if you have to ferry the airplane back if it exceeds 14 hours, it's a 91 ferry. Besides you should be happy, they paid your moving expenses when you left your childhood town to come there.
 

FamilyGuy

Well-known member
Joined
May 12, 2005
Posts
581
Fracster said:
Another winter will come and go with pilots and their families going without. during this period we will have over 20% of the pilot group elligible for food stamps and the rest will just get by. I know for myself and my kids it will be another lacking holiday season. I suppose it is to be expected since its been this way for so many years.

Stop the BS....you've got other pilots on here claiming that 98% of the pilots are receiving captains pay, and you've got the union officials quoted in the Columbus Dispatch as saying that NJA pilots average between $50,000 - $72,000 per year.

Clearly this doesnt qualify for food stamps.

Again - get your stories straight and stop posting this inconsistent crap.
 

Ultra Grump

Mmmmm...beer....
Joined
Jan 22, 2005
Posts
974
Total Time
years
FamilyGuy said:
Stop the BS....you've got other pilots on here claiming that 98% of the pilots are receiving captains pay...
So you're saying that $37,000 per year for a turbojet captain flying the richest folks in the world is something we should be proud of, because 98% are receiving captain's pay? I made more as a regional FO. And depending where you live, on $37000 you may need food stamps.
 

FAcFriend

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 23, 2004
Posts
245
And depending where you live, on $37000 you may need food stamps.

yes, grump but the lovely thing about NJA is that you can move to an area that offers better cost of living. Most people are tied to an area based on their job - you are not.
 
Top