It now Official ASA will Shrink by 130 Jobs

[n6604f]

Well, at least I wont be out of a job and 120-140 dumb FO's I dont have to put up with:beer:

Cheers!

What a Prck! You better pray I am not your F/O....ur life will be misreable....This F/O group is the most experienced group you have ever had...How long were you an F/O.....6 months? You better learn to respect your F/O's or expcet your prissy little A$$ to have no support from us!

 

[79%N1]

Yea, I gotta second that. ASA has the most experienced FO group in the industry, as most of the newhires when I was hired were on their second airline, many from places like TWA, Midway, and furloughees from majors. Many of the Captains I have flown with upgraded in 6-12 months. Now, the 5 year FO is the norm here, and it's only going to get higher. This dumb FO
sh!t is going to have to stop.

 

[HoserASA]

Hoser, I am not attacking the old guy, but you have to admit that this industry has changed three fold since his first solo in the piper cub. You either adjust with it or go peacfully into the night.

Of course this industry has changed. But, management scare tactics have not. Tutt sending letters to pilots homes, that's as old as, well, me! Tutt and Hall were in the crew lounge, Wed I think it was, and so were two members of the negotiating team. Tutt and Hall stayed either in one of the CPs office, or stood out by the door. They didn't come into the main part of the crew lounge (where the flica machines are). I thought that was unusual. Perhaps they were there to scare pilots but saw those two "union guys", and decided to wait. At least when I was there, for like two hours. Stick together and we'll achieve a fair contract.

Hoser

 

[n6604f]

Here is news!!!!!! CT did the same thing at DL.

Kooter....I am the furthest from a union supporter and once a company guy! I am voting yes!!!!!! Enough is enough.....Companies pay people more as thier responsibility increases no matter what industry you work in....Mc Donalds cashier makes xyz dollars....Supervisor makes more....Asst manager makes even more, Manager, regional manager....ect you get my point....So why should we be the manager making the cashier's pay? Get my drift..... In case you don't here is anohter example, School bus driver, Transit bus driver and Greyhound driver.....HMMMM do they all make the same....NOT but they all operate similar equipment with varying levels of responsibility!

I/we don't assume more responsibility and not get compensated for that higher risk! The SKYW pilots made a HUGE mistake and now everyone in the industry is paying for it. I for one will not sell out any other company or this profession like Mesa, Comair or anyone else has done in the past. We go down fighting and not with our tails between our legs only for SKYW to eventually replace us anyways....WE NEED GREAT SCOPE!!!!!!!

 

[atlcrashpad]

Flica.

There will be 165 Capatin and 165 F/O slots in Atlanta when SLC closes. There will be 100 Captain and 100 F/O slots same time next year in atlanta. 130 jobs are going bye bye and probably some people too. All because the ALPAites think that the CRJ 200 and 700 are 2 different types of airplanes when they are almost identical.

Also all newhire classes have been canceled from what i've heard. They might have one or 2 in august if there is attrition which would be great since some of the 700 captains have been here WAY past their time.

That means they (MGT) expect 65 CA/FO's from the CR7 to go back to the CR2. You're Chicken Little and the sky is NOT Falling.

 

[blueridge71]

So now what do you ALPAites have to say for yourselves. You are going make ASA shrink. 120-140 people will be out of work because you can't take the ALPA blinders off your overinflated heads.

There WILL be a paycut on the 70 or ASA WILL lose all of them and even more jobs.

Think about your actions and how it will affect people. A large amount of people may find themselves on the street because of your Lack of Common Sense.

I just hope that strike vote will be a weak showing. I will vote NO and I know many other people will also vote NO. If you lemmings do decide to "Burn The MUTHA DOWN" then JA will shrink ASA into nothingness as it probably should at least ALPA will be gone. ASA days are numbered and its because of the selfish MEC.

Hey i've got an Idea maybe you clowns can walk around like fool in your uniforms (with hat on of course) infront of the ASA building. Thats worked so will in the past.

Superkooter, or should I call you Slaphappy?, you tried this same BS on airline pilot central the other day and got slapped down there.

You are obviously a member of management trying to scare junior FOs into voting no. You are a despicable loser for your tactics.

To be "official" the company has to make an announcement. Unless it is sitting on your desk in the CPO, they havn't done so.

First off, nothing has changed in three weeks since they announced the 900 deliveries. It is clearly an attempt to influence the negotiations and nothing more. We may get 900s and we may not, but that decision was made long before this week.

Second, look outside your office at all the Aviation Daily copies posted around the crew room. ASA is not the most expensive by a long shot. We are cheaper than Skywest.

Third, the only other alternative I can see that makes sense is that they plan to strip ASA for its assets and close the company a la Lorenzo. If that is true, concessions won't help and its better to go down fighting without taking a pay cut.

If you tell the DOT one thing and the pilots another, you are lying to somebody. Are you lying to the pilot group or the government? I'd put money on those DOT figures being accurate.

And I'm no unionist, but BL's tactics as clear as they are underhanded. I'm now a vote to strike.

And according to the MEC blastmail, new hires and apprentice members will be upgraded to full membership for the vote, so everyone gets a voice.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

And last I remember Delta is allowing more than 70 seats starting in january and Skywest cant fly those bc of united. Now it would leave me to believe that those airplanes are going to the side who can fly them.

Yes SW can as long as they are not flown for the United code. They can fly them for Delta.

Depends on how the scope is written. I'm betting that if it's operated by SkyWest Airlines, then you can't do it. Mesa Air Group is getting around it by having several different carriers. This is the same deal that has TSA all screwed by GJ due to the American scope clause. (Company prohibitted from flying ANY aircraft in excess of 50 seats.)

 

[www.]

This F/O group is the most experienced group you have ever had.

No sir, the "most" experienced group of FOs we had were prior to the Company bring in, such as Carl "we won't get 70 seat aircraft" Childree, 200 hours children.

 

[79%N1]

Right, 3 month FO's on the bandit, who all upgraded in 12-18 months.....opposed to a group of mostly 3-5 year FO's, many who worked at other Majors and were probably Regional Captains themselves years ago before coming to ASA. Not even close. That said, yeah, there are a handful of inexperienced low-timers around now, mainly because who in the h-e-l-1 would want to work here now?

 

[SiuDude]

And according to the MEC blastmail, new hires and apprentice members will be upgraded to full membership for the vote, so everyone gets a voice.

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Not true. Read it closely. It says all apprentice members with a DOH of last June will be upgraded to full members.

 

[D'Angelo]

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Not true. Read it closely. It says all apprentice members with a DOH of last June will be upgraded to full members.

Of course, they are still too COWARDLY to let EVERYONE vote. ALPO doesnt want anyone who isn't likely to vote their way to have a voice at all.

 

[Tomct]

:angryfireWell guys, we have drawn the line in the sand and I am proud to say that we are ALL going to STAND TOGETHER on this one! Yes on the strike vote for me!! STAND UNITED ASA PILOTS!!

Nicely put Blue....You're My BOY BLUE!!!!!!

 

["GO AROUND"]

Tomct, how'd ya like the open house?

 

[atrdriver]

Of course, they are still too COWARDLY to let EVERYONE vote. ALPO doesnt want anyone who isn't likely to vote their way to have a voice at all.

Hey moron, they are attemptiong to get as many votes as possible. They even put off the strike vote for a few days to get a few more members voted in. The CBL's stipulate that apprentice members can't vote. They don't pay dues, thus they get no vote. Too bad you're too dense to understand that concept.

 

[Tomct]

Go Around....It was GREAT!! Nice to see a company that KNOWS how to treat their employee's!!