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It is time for you to eat crow!

drinksonme

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So to all the members of this forum on this thread, that blasted this crew, and gave us THEIR own prolific analogy of how awesome they are, and how awesome of a job they would have done, it is time to apologize. In the end, it was just as it sounded to be from the beginning, it was NOT THE CREW that caused this situation. I have seen only a few actually eat their words on a different thread. It is time for those of you who think their sh!t does not stink to finally admit you are no better than MSNBC, CNN, FOX, etc., on reporting facts. You are so smart, and have such knowledge, we should bow down to you when you approach the jetway. I am looking forward to all of the "well........the crew should have....ah........" Sad, no wonder our career is gone now, it is people like the ones on the thread below that have brought us to this point. What is bad for someone else, is good for me. An old saying comes to mind, " he who cast the first stone in a glass house." A.K.A, that means STFU till the facts are know. Again see the thread below of the best in our industry. Then read the PRESS RELEASES below that.

The best pilots in the world thread
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=124973


The truth
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...4_FORTUNE5.htm

http://www.kttc.com/Global/story.asp?S=10969169

Note: This is not direct at everyone on the above thread, just the best of best who know who's fault it was and what they should have done.
 
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"You touch my stuff.....I kill you." .;.......
"Lighten up Francis."

So. What WAS the wussy Captain doing? Sitting around asking Mesaba to let them off?

If Chuck Norris had been the Captain, He would have cut a hole in the fusilage with his bare hands and got the hostages out.
 
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drinksonme

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"You touch my stuff.....I kill you."

"Lighten up Francis."

If Chuck Norris had been the Captain, He would have cut a hole in the fusilage with his bare hands and got the hostages out.

Enough is enough. I agree we should not take this stuff so seriously, but others did. Until we remember we are ALL ON THE SAME TEAM, we will never get ahead. The ones I am attacking directly are a joke. I hope people at their companies see that too.
 

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Start up the engine and taxi to the FBO. Let everyone off. Don't argue with some other gate agents. That's called a command decision.
 

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Start up the engine and taxi to the FBO. Let everyone off. Don't argue with some other gate agents. That's called a command decision.


The first of many how much better of a pilot I am than the XJT crew in Rochester, MN. I bet XJT, with its own CHARTER OPERATION (unlike most regionals) never thought of this.

Call the FBO, see what time it closes. It is hard to unload at an FBO that has no one on duty, or so I have heard.

Signature closes at normal business hours unless requested to stay open by an inbound crew or company. Guess what, the XJT crew did not call, so I guess they are at fault. That was sarcasm and so is this. They should have know they were going to divert at 12 o'clock in the morning and planned ahead to tell Signature in RST.

Oh yeah, and the stairs they happen to have that fits an EMB-145XR, gosh XJT crews are mornons.

Next?
 
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So to all the members of this forum on this thread, that blasted this crew, and gave us THEIR own prolific analogy of how awesome they are, and how awesome of a job they would have done, it is time to apologize. In the end, it was just as it sounded to be from the beginning, it was NOT THE CREW that caused this situation. I have seen only a few actually eat their words on a different thread. It is time for those of you who think their sh!t does not stink to finally admit you are no better than MSNBC, CNN, FOX, etc., on reporting facts. You are so smart, and have such knowledge, we should bow down to you when you approach the jetway. I am looking forward to all of the "well........the crew should have....ah........" Sad, no wonder our career is gone now, it is people like the ones on the thread below that have brought us to this point. What is bad for someone else, is good for me. An old saying comes to mind, " he who cast the first stone in a glass house." A.K.A, that means STFU till the facts are know. Again see the thread below of the best in our industry. Then read the PRESS RELEASES below that.

The best pilots in the world thread
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=124973


The truth
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...4_FORTUNE5.htm

http://www.kttc.com/Global/story.asp?S=10969169

Note: This is not direct at everyone on the above thread, just the best of best who know who's fault it was and what they should have done.

Facts are known:
XJT folks could of verified and should have known what the Mesaba people claimed as TSA regulations.
XJT, CAL and Mesaba FAILED the pax.
 

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Facts are known:

XJT, CAL and Mesaba FAILED the pax.

According to the DOT, that is the DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, only one of those three was mentioned to be at fault. Call Ray Lahood and tell him what's up and how wrong he and his hand picked people are. Idiots they have over there. Like the ones at the NTSB who have been saying Fatigue has been an issue for the last 20 years.
 

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As I said in the afor-mentioned thread...THREE TIMES I might add. There must be more to the story.....Well here it is.

Good job Mesaba and good job Delta for choosing the lowest bidder. AGAIN
 

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According to the DOT, that is the DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, only one of those three was mentioned to be at fault. Call Ray Lahood and tell him what's up and how wrong he and his hand picked people are. Idiots they have over there. Like the ones at the NTSB who have been saying Fatigue has been an issue for the last 20 years.

Nope, you can't use the excuse, "sorry I was only following orders" in this case.
History has proven that excuse doesn't work well.
 

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Wrong.......this crew should have declared an emergency and evacuated via the stairs onto the ramp---for health reasons concerning the overflowing toilet. They are still at fault, but not totally at fault it seems.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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Sad, no wonder our career is gone now, it is people like the ones on the thread below that have brought us to this point.

What has brought us to this point is the erosion of PIC authority and people who for whatever reason are too spooked by their own shadows to make a command decision. Yes, the report puts the blame on the station but the fact is the crew ultimately left the decision-making and responsibility for the flight and it's passengers to people outside the cockpit and allowed themselves be held hostage on the ramp for hours on end. When is enough enough? At what point do you say "no more"? Go to the FBO, wake the airport manager and/or TSA bosses up, take it up the chain of command until you get a satisfactory outcome. Do something!

"The Captain is the final authority for the operation of the aircraft and is charged with the ultimate responsibility for the safety of passengers, crewmembers, cargo, and aircraft for the designated period of duty. The Captain shall ensure that the highest degree of safety practical is established before that operation is conducted or continued."
 

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Wrong.......this crew should have declared an emergency and evacuated via the stairs onto the ramp---for health reasons concerning the overflowing toilet. They are still at fault, but not totally at fault it seems.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Does anyone else need any further evidence of this man's advanced level of mental retardation?

-A potty emergency evacuation?

-Damn!
 

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Just like someone else said in another thread.

The pax should have exited the plane themselves. Who's going to stop you? How many exits? How many flight attendants? Who's going to convict them?

Also, you're going to sit there and argue with a gate agent? He/She was probably working at McDonalds last week.
 

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So to all the members of this forum on this thread, that blasted this crew, and gave us THEIR own prolific analogy of how awesome they are, and how awesome of a job they would have done, it is time to apologize. In the end, it was just as it sounded to be from the beginning, it was NOT THE CREW that caused this situation. I have seen only a few actually eat their words on a different thread. It is time for those of you who think their sh!t does not stink to finally admit you are no better than MSNBC, CNN, FOX, etc., on reporting facts. You are so smart, and have such knowledge, we should bow down to you when you approach the jetway. I am looking forward to all of the "well........the crew should have....ah........" Sad, no wonder our career is gone now, it is people like the ones on the thread below that have brought us to this point. What is bad for someone else, is good for me. An old saying comes to mind, " he who cast the first stone in a glass house." A.K.A, that means STFU till the facts are know. Again see the thread below of the best in our industry. Then read the PRESS RELEASES below that.

Oh puhleeze..

If there was a fire inside, would you have waited for the station to help out or say it was ok to get off?

I would have dropped the stairs, found a door to enter the terminal from (tsa violation or not), and deplaned the pax.

Have you ever heard of Captain's authority? or would you rather just do whatever your company tells you to do?

Some of us have actually taken matters into our own hands in the past, and if the decision was prudent, were supported by our Chiefs, etc..
 

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The sad part here, which everyone is glossing over, is the fact that the high-school drop-out gate agents and rampers have more authority than they should ever even DREAM of. What the Fukkkkk happened in this godforsaken industry that someone who got fired from McDonald's for stealing french fries has more say than the god damn flight crew?
 

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The sad part here, which everyone is glossing over, is the fact that the high-school drop-out gate agents and rampers have more authority than they should ever even DREAM of. What the Fukkkkk happened in this godforsaken industry that someone who got fired from McDonald's for stealing french fries has more say than the god damn flight crew?
How long has this girl been a captain with the company? Is she another 2 yr FO who was upgraded?
The problem today is that we have too many kids ACTING as PIC who can't even make a decision for themselves, so affraid to think outside the box because they might get called into the CP's office for the dance.
First off, to accept this place as an alternate and to agree to divert there was the dumbest thing on her part. She should have gone to an ExpressJet operated airport...such as Des Moines. But she probably just listened to dispatch tell her where to go and she was all fine with that.
It goes back to your security question. Who is in charge? The PIC is no longer in charge....well, they'd like you to think otherwise, but really, you're not. The company says the ground security cooridinator is in charge while the airplane is on the ground. When it's in flight, the dispatcher is.
So why would she bother thinking for herself? Her whole career she has been told what to do and had never had to think for herself.
The old regional I flew for, perfect example. You could listen on the DX freq when people were put into holds. The minute that happened, you heard pilots calling dispatch "We have this much fuel, we're holding at XXX with an EFC of 1234. How much time does that give us and what do you want us to do?" ......really?
 

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Wrong.......this crew should have declared an emergency and evacuated via the stairs onto the ramp---for health reasons concerning the overflowing toilet. They are still at fault, but not totally at fault it seems.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Have been "getting busy" lately? I know, twice on Sundays!
 

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Wrong.......this crew should have declared an emergency and evacuated via the stairs onto the ramp
General Lee
I don't believe Mesaba OPs ever offered XJT any stairs to use to deplane the PAX out on the ramp. Or were you thinking that all the ERJ's XJT bought had stairs built into the aircraft? You might want to do some checking on that. Might be in for a surprise!
 
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