Is Jet Blue Going to the ATL for Air Inc

[Lifter]

Wondering if JB is going to the Atlanta Air Inc Job Fair? They aren't on the list. Have they decided, since they don't use the normal resume application process, that its not productive for them to attend anymore? Its not like they need the publicity or attention. Or is it just to early for them to announce they are coming?

Thanks.

Also, has any JB people actually heard of someone receiving a blue dart yet? If not, when do you expect them to be given out?

Thanks Lifter

 

[OakRBust]

They'd have to non-rev.

 

[colorado418]

Wondering if JB is going to the Atlanta Air Inc Job Fair? They aren't on the list. Have they decided, since they don't use the normal resume application process, that its not productive for them to attend anymore? Its not like they need the publicity or attention. Or is it just to early for them to announce they are coming?

Thanks.

Also, has any JB people actually heard of someone receiving a blue dart yet? If not, when do you expect them to be given out?

Thanks Lifter

I put in an email to Dean Melonas to answer the first part. I will post his reply if it is not addressed when he gets back to me.

As far as the second part, I believe that the "blue dart" will be used for January interviews. I have not heard yet that they had the "lottery" but I expect to hear more soon.

Oh yes, we may just have to non rev....

 

[colorado418]

I heard back from Dean. They are not going to be in Atlanta. They are hitting one conference per region per year.

Next year we’ll be attending in Los Angeles, D.C., and either Dallas or Atlanta (maybe both). That job fair schedule starts for us again in January.

Hope this helps.

 

[side stick-n]

Also, has any JB people actually heard of someone receiving a blue dart yet? If not, when do you expect them to be given out?

Thanks Lifter

Just talked to a bud of mine two days ago that has received a "blue dart". So the process has indeed begun.

 

[jetblue320]

Blue Dart

It is not official, and may not be for confidentiality reasons, but I heard a guy in the Crew Lounge the other day mention that he got a Blue Dart.

I am pretty sure that the darts have been issued and the rules are in place, but I won't swear to it.

See ya and if you want to get a dart hit, I wish you the best.

 

[Falconjet]

Blue Dart?

I don't know about the rest of you think, but the Blue Dart moniker sounds way too close to different kind of dart the Ops Boss or other supervisor would send your way when there was a shi__y little job to be done and you were the one standing around at the wrong time. Perhaps you know what I'm talking about.

If I worked there I would try to find another name for the "silver bullet".

How about the blueBullet. There's got to be something better.

Just a thought.

 

[colorado418]

I guess I am naive. What kind of dart is that? A butt type dart?

It is only a name...

Free interview.... funny name.....6,000 in the data base....

I don't think folks will care what it is called....

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

A butt dart?

is that what GetBlue left ATL with?

 

[Falconjet]

Come on now!

Colorado: Come on now, just because you guys don't have to pay for your jets is no reason to lose your sense of humor!

Its all in fun, and yes you can call it whatever you want. Lots of Coasties call the Falcon the lawn dart, and that probably wasn't meant to flatter those who flew it, but who knows.

That doesn't mean I won't ever go begging my old buds that work there for a blueBullet! I think its good to have a referral system out there right up front for people to use.

bestWishes,

FJ

 

[jetblue320]

Re: Come on now!

Colorado: Come on now, just because you guys don't have to pay for your jets is no reason to lose your sense of humor!

Its all in fun, and yes you can call it whatever you want. Lots of Coasties call the Falcon the lawn dart, and that probably wasn't meant to flatter those who flew it, but who knows.

That doesn't mean I won't ever go begging my old buds that work there for a blueBullet! I think its good to have a referral system out there right up front for people to use.

bestWishes,

FJ

Falconjet, et al:

The Blue Dart (or whatever moniker you want to place on it) is indeed a way for a current pilot at jetBlue to get a friend of his/hers to the interview table without having to go thru the database selection process, that's all. The current database of jetBlue wannabe's is up to about 7000 now and the Blue Dart program is an above board, random program that everyone (pilots that is) can use and it helps prevent unfair practices. By unfair practices I mean the old "hey, I have this pal who wants to work here" in the ear of someone responsible for the selection of who gets interviews. Everyone that flies here now has a friend (well, except me because I only have two friends and they both work here already ) and to give one pilot an opportunity to get his buddy hired and not extend that same courtesy to everyone is just not fair. Enter the Blue Dart program. It also places a sense of accountability to the Recommendee (if thats a word) to make a good solid choice of who he/she recommends for an interview because they only get one Blue Dart, and they have to mentor that person if they get hired.

Whether or not the program is a success remains to be seen. Most think it is cool, especially if you are the recipient and have been trying to get to the interview table.

Seeeee ya

 

[Lifter]

Would love a blue Dart

Yes, I along with everyone else in the database would love a blue dart. Using the database and extracting potential hires from it is an objective technique. My problem is my career in the Air Force wasn't conducive for totaling a lot of hours in each separate aircraft. Too many supervision jobs and not enough strictly flying ones.
Many things have contributed to my average to below average total time for me. A lot of my C-141 time was lost during the gulf war. (All my AC time somehow disappeared from the Air Force records during the gulf wars when they closed Norton AFB, and my personal log book didn’t have enough room to include tail numbers) so the AF and I can’t figure out a way to include it legally in my flight records. And my logbook was simply used to track when I busted the 330-hour time thinking the AForms would track it properly. I was a Flight Commander in T-37s so flew mostly with troubled students then worked flight job. T-1A Director of Ops, again flew less than average guy. C-17A Upgraded to IP in less than 300 hours and only 550 total C-17 hours over 2 years, got Assistant Ops Officer and Current Ops Flt CC during Bosnia and Kosovo, so mostly worked planning issues even though I logged the most trips downrange during my 30 day deployment to Ramstien AB when I was allowed out of the office.
So when they run a sort by aircraft criteria, I come out with limited hours compared to someone who just flew so I doubt my name will get chosen from the sort. Even though I’m over 5500 total jet time (over 2500 hour IP time)
Now that I’ve finished crying about my situation, I was hoping to receive a dart from one of my buds flying at JB, since I doubt the computer sort will spit out my name over any other Air Force guys that flew similar type aircraft. The way Dean explained it during one of the Air Inc job fairs was they sort by a category, ie military heavy, military fighter, commuter, regional, A320 time etc and then computer spits out a list. Then they select from that list, that’s where I don’t stand a chance.
Everyone waiting probably has a similar problem with their situation, as objective as the computer sort is, it does have some difficulties finding that perfect fit for the JB individual. The blue dart seems to eliminate a lot of those problems. The total time an individual has doesn’t (IMHO) correlate to finding the person that fits what they are looking for, someone to fit their company standards and values. Do I have a better solutions, NO, just been waiting with all the others in the database to have their name selected.
I feel better now.

 

[Skank]

Mr. Lenin. We'll just let results speak for themselves. You can beat your chest about us leaving Atlanta and we'll just keep trying to make money.

Apparently it's not all that easy to make money in Atlanta, unless you're Airtran. By the way, they want you back in your cryogenic cell in the Kremlin.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Vladimir Lenin
is that what GetBlue left ATL with? [/QUOTE]

 

[jetblue320]

Blue Dart Clarification

Just wanted to add one more bullet point about the Blue Dart program for those of you out there that care:

The recipient of the dart must meet the current minimum experience qualifications (see jetBlue.com "Work Here" for those)and be in the database prior to cashing in the dart for the interview.

See ya

 

[Falconjet]

Loosen the ties!

Colorado, Skank, jb320 and the other JB guys and gals:

I think you guys need to loosen your ties and lighten up! You guys are so defensive and serious about every post that it really makes me wonder. Having a sense of humor and not taking yourself so seriously has got to be one of your company's core values.

I know (because I've read all of your posts) that you work for a great company and I really am happy for all of you. But I think you all try way too hard to convince everybody on the board that you deserve to be where you are and that jetBlue will be the dominant carrier in X number of years. It all seems a little paranoid to me.


All the back and forth with the mean and competitive threads, however, is fun to read and I wouldn't back down from them.

I wish you and your company well.

FJ

 

[Falconjet]

database=objective?

Lifter:

Here are some opinions (worth what you paid):

1. You have plenty of time to be competitive at jetBlue. Its just a matter of time before you bubble up.

2. Computer bases are not objective, because they are programmed by humans and most humans have an agenda. They can easily manipulate the programming to spit out whatever type of pilot they are looking for at that particular time. I am NOT saying that this is a bad thing. Total flight time isn't even objective, because there are so many different ways that people log it. (mil vs civ, dual received, etc etc etc)

3. I would be careful in the interview that you will eventually get with the logbook discrepancy. It sounds a little like you are blaming the AF for not keeping accurate enough records for you so you could get a job after you retired.

4. You have an ATP so you must have had some aspirations of a commercial flying job post AF, however slight or far removed, so the impetus was on you to keep your logbook straight. Go in with only what you can prove with a log. You should be doing everything you can while you wait to re-create your log as best you can, and determine some way to handle any discrep a little more delicately than blaming it on the AF. Maybe Albie has some ideas on how to do that.

Don't mean to flame, just some observations from your insightful post.

Good Luck.

FJ

 

[Skank]

Mr Falconjet,
I often loosen my tie, and occasionally wear polka dot underwear, and on some rare occasions... well enough about me.
You seem to have joined this discussion in the middle. There are a few posters here who enjoy taking jabs at Jetblue at every opportunity, even when the thread is about something totally different. If you read a thread about Comair all of the sudden there is one of these clowns claiming that we don't pay for our airplanes, or we get paid in blue chips, or we don't have flags on our airplanes because we are unpatriotic, or whatever.
Since this gets old, I occasionally reply with some stupid remark. All paranoia aside (my doctor days I'm getting better) I usually can enjoy a good barb. There are quite a few of our critics here who are capable of some good discussion and some good humor. On the other hand, there are those who add nothing to the conversation but an odd insult here and there, usually with very little in the way of wit or intellect.
I don't claim to be anything other than a Jebtlue Pilot who likes his job. I respect the fact that others here like their jobs and are loyal to their employer. I don't have much use for anyone who can't understand that.

 

[General Lee]

Skank (buddy),

Easy now. Simmer down now, ya hear? This board is good for timely info about hiring etc, but also a "release" for tension---and I enjoy the "back and forth" rants. The Song vs Jetblue threads are all in good fun. Why? Because we can't do anything ourselves---that is up to management. Same with Airtran vs Delta, Comair vs Delta, everyone vs Delta, Skywest and their choice to fly for less vs Mesa, etc.....Enjoy Jetblue, I think it is a great company.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Skank]

Mon General (spoken with a French accent). I always enjoy a good Song discussion/infomercial with you, and you know that. I am speaking to comrade Lenin and some of his KGB associates. I know they are outside my house at night (not being paranoid). Again, well thought barbs are welcome. Mindless insults are welcome too, but I reserve the right to get all paranoid and schizophrenic.

Respectfully,
Skank

 

[General Lee]

I agree Skank, and I also really enjoy the barbs and fun on this board.

Bye Bye--General Lee