Is Delta going to Furlough?

[ifly90]

I've got a friend over there who just went back at the end of last year. Have not been able to get a hold of him yet. Anyone know what the deal is over there? I'm thinking they have enough guys leaving to offset any downsizing.

 

[Heavy Set]

I've got a friend over there who just went back at the end of last year. Have not been able to get a hold of him yet. Anyone know what the deal is over there? I'm thinking they have enough guys leaving to offset any downsizing.

I have a few DAL buddies and they agree that it is too early to tell. Keep in mind that something like 2,500 Captains have already retired and DAL training is in overdrive to fill all of the slots. If aircraft are withdrawn, they would probably be withdrawn in phases - although the Fall would be a good time to do it as pax levels decline after the summer rush. There are also something like 300 already-retired pilots who have agreed to work for DAL during the training transition period.

Evidently Grinstein has mentioned that capacity will be reduced (probably the 767-200s to Airborne, the 737-200s and maybe some of the 737-300s). The question is the timing of the phase out...

 

[General Lee]

Apparently the 75 or so planes they intend to sell or park (732s, 733s, 762s) have been accounted for in the bids, and as long as the lessors don't take extra planes that Delta thought they would keep, they shouldn't have to furlough. If the lessors take extra planes, then maybe furloughs will happen. It helps when 2500 Captains leave in 15 months. Now, I bet there will be some stew furloughs unfortunately, because none of them ever retire, and we are parking some planes.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[dtfl]

Now if we can get the PRPs to go home, some of us furloughees can COME BACK TO WORK! Myself being one of them

 

[General Lee]

Now if we can get the PRPs to go home, some of us furloughees can COME BACK TO WORK! Myself being one of them

They will eventually. I think there are 187 or so. We want YOU back, and TBKANE.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Dennis Miller]

We want YOU back, and TBKANE.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I think you will see Jesus return before TBKANE.

 

[Dizel8]

If 2500 Capts. have retired shouldn't DAL almost be looking at hiring, not furloughing further??

 

[General Lee]

If 2500 Capts. have retired shouldn't DAL almost be looking at hiring, not furloughing further??

Well, yes, but they seem to have known what was going to happen if we had to go to court. They were only recalling 10 a month, so I think they might have known that they were going to park 75 mainline jets also. Grinstein just stated last week that we were eventually going to get a new 100 seat airplane at mainline (maybe the E190), and hopefully before then we can get the furloughs back and maybe someday start hiring again.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Wish they hadn't stopped production of the Boeing 717. The E-Jets are nice... but they're not THAT nice.

A fleet of Douglas Racers would've looked good in Delta colors. Maybe they'd even paint one in the original paintjobs that Delta used on the 9's (with the sideways Widget). That would be sexy.

 

[banger]

Grinstein just stated last week that we were eventually going to get a new 100 seat airplane at mainline (maybe the E190), and hopefully before then we can get the furloughs back and maybe someday start hiring again.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Ginstein stated this week in his lounge tour that their would be more furloughs. He would not commit to any numbers though.

 

[spanky2]

Grinstein (73 years old) also believes that he is the CEO of Delta faucets and wonders what the fuss is about all of this airplane stuff. Sometimes I get a vision of "Weekend at Bernies" ...

 

[klhoard]

Grinstein (73 years old) also believes that he is the CEO of Delta faucets and wonders what the fuss is about all of this airplane stuff. Sometimes I get a vision of "Weekend at Bernies" ...

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Now that's funny. . . .
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[Spooky 1]

Ginstein stated this week in his lounge tour that their would be more furloughs. He would not commit to any numbers though.

JG is the perfect spin miester. If his lips are moving he is either lying or trying to put a positve spin on something. He also said when asked about further pay cuts that he had a number in mind but could not devulge it. He knows exactly what he wants and probably was afraid for his life if he mentioned it while surrounded by a bunch of pilots in the lounge. This guy is poison. He got you to where you are now and why would you think he can get you out of this debacle? I am hearing that the domestic side of DAL might be cut by 45%. No matter how you spin it, the international flying cannot make up for a loss in flying this great. One international terrorist event would be akin to Pan Am 103. Turn out the lights baby. A sad day for a once great airline.

 

[bafanguy]

Grinstein (73 years old) also believes that he is the CEO of Delta faucets and wonders what the fuss is about all of this airplane stuff. Sometimes I get a vision of "Weekend at Bernies" ...

As someone said in the ATL paper this AM...Delta is now run by the guy who thought hiring Leo Mullin was a great idea. Now I'm REALLY worried !!

 

[Rick James]

Grinstein (73 years old) also believes that he is the CEO of Delta faucets and wonders what the fuss is about all of this airplane stuff. Sometimes I get a vision of "Weekend at Bernies" ...

Thanks for the laugh!
General,
How do you get a fleet of 100 seaters when you have no unimcumbered assets? I realize that creditors are sometimes willing to go out on a limb(GE), but you need collateral. I think what USAir is doing with the 190's will hopefully set a precedent for mainline/feeder scope problem.

 

[dtfl]

Interesting comparison to Pan Am...I was thinking we are focusing too hard, on our Intl flying..Like Pan Am......

and it never ceases to amaze me at the number of a**holes who love to tell you you are crazy, Jesus will get back before furloughees... and that you are going to lose your company or your job - on this board....one day maybe I can return the "favor"...there IS such a thing as kharma guys

 

[Spooky 1]

Interesting comparison to Pan Am...I was thinking we are focusing too hard, on our Intl flying..Like Pan Am......

and it never ceases to amaze me at the number of a**holes who love to tell you you are crazy, Jesus will get back before furloughees... and that you are going to lose your company or your job - on this board....one day maybe I can return the "favor"...there IS such a thing as kharma guys

Maybe I am reading your last paragraph wrong but, it sounds like your calling me an assh&le?? Should that be the case, shame on you. I suggest that you take a careful look at the history of this industry. You, like I are just pawns in the process and really have little if any control over the outcome at Delta at this point. You could work for nothing and the chances of Delta surviving with JG at the helm would probably be the same regardless. The fact is I am much more likely to send the favor your way than your doing me any favors. I have directed many a pilot to some darn good jobs in lieu of Delta, so I won't be
waiting up for your favors to bestowed on me anytime soon. Stop drinking the Kool Aide, you have been had by the fates that are way beyond your control. On the other hand if you think working for miniscule wages is okay, then everything is just fine. Lastly, since you don't know me, perhaps it would be better if you did not call me names as I might get to meet you someday and that could be very unpleasent for you.

 

[schmooze]

What's the current situation with Delta's No-Furlough clause? Is it still in effect, or did the company void it out?

 

[General Lee]

Thanks for the laugh!
General,
How do you get a fleet of 100 seaters when you have no unimcumbered assets? I realize that creditors are sometimes willing to go out on a limb(GE), but you need collateral. I think what USAir is doing with the 190's will hopefully set a precedent for mainline/feeder scope problem.

Rick,

Do I look like a CEO with all of the answers? Thanks anyway. I read that GE had a lot of options on certain planes out there, and maybe they will allow Delta to take some of those on leases? How could Air Canada, which was days away from liquidation, come out with a huge order for 787s and 777s? I don't know. Do you need collateral or just a good ole fashion management handshake, with a wink? How did USAir/AWA get money for eventual orders of the A350?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

What's the current situation with Delta's No-Furlough clause? Is it still in effect, or did the company void it out?

Well, I think that initial one was changed in our latest contract change last December. We sorta have a new one with the PRP program---no new furloughs with the retired guys on board. So, now that we are in court, I don't know if that will be changed, but the PRPs have seniority lower than the furloughs now, and a judge would know that. I think they will be leaving sooner than later.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Rick James]

Rick,

Do I look like a CEO with all of the answers? Thanks anyway.

Bye Bye--General Lee

You have to be joking. Almost every post you make has something to do with the forward progress of Delta and expectation of profits, example Song. Now all of the sudden when you dont have a prompt answer to an honest question your retort is this. That's OK, I wish you luck in your current situation.

 

[General Lee]

You have to be joking. Almost every post you make has something to do with the forward progress of Delta and expectation of profits, example Song. Now all of the sudden when you dont have a prompt answer to an honest question your retort is this. That's OK, I wish you luck in your current situation.

You ask me questions that I really can't answer. Write Grinstein a letter if you want an answer with authority. Song did make profits compared to the old Delta Express service, and even against mainline service. The problem we had is that we were taking planes away from mainline to create Song, not buying new airplanes. Those planes had to be replaced with smaller planes(MD88s etc) and the RJs even had to replace 737s, which didn't help things with business travelers. Thanks for your good wishes.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[banger]

You ask me questions that I really can't answer. Write Grinstein a letter if you want an answer with authority. Song did make profits compared to the old Delta Express service, and even against mainline service. The problem we had is that we were taking planes away from mainline to create Song, not buying new airplanes. Those planes had to be replaced with smaller planes(MD88s etc) and the RJs even had to replace 737s, which didn't help things with business travelers. Thanks for your good wishes.

Bye Bye--General Lee

General
How do you know this? Delta hides Song's figures inside Delta figures. Even the most knowledgeable airline analysts have not been able to guess. And I'm not slammin' ya here, I just want to know if there is something I am missing. Or are you just guessing based on what you see as loads.

 

[IAHERJ]

I believe GL in that Song was profitable. Look at CAL. Guess which aircraft they will be deploying from EWR to all the florida destinations? The 757-300 which has the lowest CASM in the industry. With Jetblue's cost structure, they might be able to compete with an A321 but I think CAL's 757-300's are going to really be a competitor with the East Coast configuration they are planning to use and the new entertainment systems discussed in threads a few weeks ago. My point is that the 75's Song operated with the costs associated with the FA's Song contract etc. lead me to believe that they indeed could have been profitable.



IAHERJ

 

[General Lee]

General
How do you know this? Delta hides Song's figures inside Delta figures. Even the most knowledgeable airline analysts have not been able to guess. And I'm not slammin' ya here, I just want to know if there is something I am missing. Or are you just guessing based on what you see as loads.

Banger,

No, I didn't ask for ticket prices from each passenger. I do remember that article that I now cannot find with Grinstein saying it was profitable, and I have talked to the Song ex-President (who supposedly left after personal problems with a stew there?) who said it was doing very well. Other than that, I don't have access to that type of info. I heard it from the top. Take it or leave it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[dtfl]

Spooky that wasnt directed at you - I agree with you about GG. However, you sure are acting like an ass now. And telling me meeting you might be unpleasant for me.
Grow up man...this isn't 4th grade?

 

[banger]

Banger,

No, I didn't ask for ticket prices from each passenger. I do remember that article that I now cannot find with Grinstein saying it was profitable, and I have talked to the Song ex-President (who supposedly left after personal problems with a stew there?) who said it was doing very well. Other than that, I don't have access to that type of info. I heard it from the top. Take it or leave it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Well see thats kinda my point. I do remember the article your refering to (can't find it either) and I thought GG did not use the term "profitable". Terms like "doing very well" don't really mean making money either. Higher ups at JB say Song is losing money wherever they fly. Now I'm not saying they are correct eithier. It would be interesting to know for sure. I'm guessing a Judge is gonna look at the numbers some time in the future, and if Song is not turning its own profit, he'll say " change it or stop it".

 

[Spooky 1]

Spooky that wasnt directed at you - I agree with you about GG. However, you sure are acting like an ass now. And telling me meeting you might be unpleasant for me.
Grow up man...this isn't 4th grade?

More names? Grow up yourself.

 

[Launchpad]

With regards to the original post, there has been no announcement of any furloughs. It depends on a number of things, they did just recall 3 people from the short list today to fill the Oct recall class.

Just FYI-

 

[wms]

You ask me questions that I really can't answer. Write Grinstein a letter if you want an answer with authority. Song did make profits compared to the old Delta Express service, and even against mainline service. The problem we had is that we were taking planes away from mainline to create Song, not buying new airplanes. Those planes had to be replaced with smaller planes(MD88s etc) and the RJs even had to replace 737s, which didn't help things with business travelers. Thanks for your good wishes.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I was on the golf course with GG last week. He just said "shut up and give me a wedge".