Is Delta going to Furlough?

[dtfl]

Interesting comparison to Pan Am...I was thinking we are focusing too hard, on our Intl flying..Like Pan Am......

and it never ceases to amaze me at the number of a**holes who love to tell you you are crazy, Jesus will get back before furloughees... and that you are going to lose your company or your job - on this board....one day maybe I can return the "favor"...there IS such a thing as kharma guys

 

[Spooky 1]

Interesting comparison to Pan Am...I was thinking we are focusing too hard, on our Intl flying..Like Pan Am......

and it never ceases to amaze me at the number of a**holes who love to tell you you are crazy, Jesus will get back before furloughees... and that you are going to lose your company or your job - on this board....one day maybe I can return the "favor"...there IS such a thing as kharma guys

Maybe I am reading your last paragraph wrong but, it sounds like your calling me an assh&le?? Should that be the case, shame on you. I suggest that you take a careful look at the history of this industry. You, like I are just pawns in the process and really have little if any control over the outcome at Delta at this point. You could work for nothing and the chances of Delta surviving with JG at the helm would probably be the same regardless. The fact is I am much more likely to send the favor your way than your doing me any favors. I have directed many a pilot to some darn good jobs in lieu of Delta, so I won't be
waiting up for your favors to bestowed on me anytime soon. Stop drinking the Kool Aide, you have been had by the fates that are way beyond your control. On the other hand if you think working for miniscule wages is okay, then everything is just fine. Lastly, since you don't know me, perhaps it would be better if you did not call me names as I might get to meet you someday and that could be very unpleasent for you.

 

[schmooze]

What's the current situation with Delta's No-Furlough clause? Is it still in effect, or did the company void it out?

 

[General Lee]

Thanks for the laugh!
General,
How do you get a fleet of 100 seaters when you have no unimcumbered assets? I realize that creditors are sometimes willing to go out on a limb(GE), but you need collateral. I think what USAir is doing with the 190's will hopefully set a precedent for mainline/feeder scope problem.

Rick,

Do I look like a CEO with all of the answers? Thanks anyway. I read that GE had a lot of options on certain planes out there, and maybe they will allow Delta to take some of those on leases? How could Air Canada, which was days away from liquidation, come out with a huge order for 787s and 777s? I don't know. Do you need collateral or just a good ole fashion management handshake, with a wink? How did USAir/AWA get money for eventual orders of the A350?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

What's the current situation with Delta's No-Furlough clause? Is it still in effect, or did the company void it out?

Well, I think that initial one was changed in our latest contract change last December. We sorta have a new one with the PRP program---no new furloughs with the retired guys on board. So, now that we are in court, I don't know if that will be changed, but the PRPs have seniority lower than the furloughs now, and a judge would know that. I think they will be leaving sooner than later.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Rick James]

Rick,

Do I look like a CEO with all of the answers? Thanks anyway.

Bye Bye--General Lee

You have to be joking. Almost every post you make has something to do with the forward progress of Delta and expectation of profits, example Song. Now all of the sudden when you dont have a prompt answer to an honest question your retort is this. That's OK, I wish you luck in your current situation.

 

[General Lee]

You have to be joking. Almost every post you make has something to do with the forward progress of Delta and expectation of profits, example Song. Now all of the sudden when you dont have a prompt answer to an honest question your retort is this. That's OK, I wish you luck in your current situation.

You ask me questions that I really can't answer. Write Grinstein a letter if you want an answer with authority. Song did make profits compared to the old Delta Express service, and even against mainline service. The problem we had is that we were taking planes away from mainline to create Song, not buying new airplanes. Those planes had to be replaced with smaller planes(MD88s etc) and the RJs even had to replace 737s, which didn't help things with business travelers. Thanks for your good wishes.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[banger]

You ask me questions that I really can't answer. Write Grinstein a letter if you want an answer with authority. Song did make profits compared to the old Delta Express service, and even against mainline service. The problem we had is that we were taking planes away from mainline to create Song, not buying new airplanes. Those planes had to be replaced with smaller planes(MD88s etc) and the RJs even had to replace 737s, which didn't help things with business travelers. Thanks for your good wishes.

Bye Bye--General Lee

General
How do you know this? Delta hides Song's figures inside Delta figures. Even the most knowledgeable airline analysts have not been able to guess. And I'm not slammin' ya here, I just want to know if there is something I am missing. Or are you just guessing based on what you see as loads.

 

[IAHERJ]

I believe GL in that Song was profitable. Look at CAL. Guess which aircraft they will be deploying from EWR to all the florida destinations? The 757-300 which has the lowest CASM in the industry. With Jetblue's cost structure, they might be able to compete with an A321 but I think CAL's 757-300's are going to really be a competitor with the East Coast configuration they are planning to use and the new entertainment systems discussed in threads a few weeks ago. My point is that the 75's Song operated with the costs associated with the FA's Song contract etc. lead me to believe that they indeed could have been profitable.



IAHERJ

 

[General Lee]

General
How do you know this? Delta hides Song's figures inside Delta figures. Even the most knowledgeable airline analysts have not been able to guess. And I'm not slammin' ya here, I just want to know if there is something I am missing. Or are you just guessing based on what you see as loads.

Banger,

No, I didn't ask for ticket prices from each passenger. I do remember that article that I now cannot find with Grinstein saying it was profitable, and I have talked to the Song ex-President (who supposedly left after personal problems with a stew there?) who said it was doing very well. Other than that, I don't have access to that type of info. I heard it from the top. Take it or leave it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[dtfl]

Spooky that wasnt directed at you - I agree with you about GG. However, you sure are acting like an ass now. And telling me meeting you might be unpleasant for me.
Grow up man...this isn't 4th grade?

 

[banger]

Banger,

No, I didn't ask for ticket prices from each passenger. I do remember that article that I now cannot find with Grinstein saying it was profitable, and I have talked to the Song ex-President (who supposedly left after personal problems with a stew there?) who said it was doing very well. Other than that, I don't have access to that type of info. I heard it from the top. Take it or leave it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Well see thats kinda my point. I do remember the article your refering to (can't find it either) and I thought GG did not use the term "profitable". Terms like "doing very well" don't really mean making money either. Higher ups at JB say Song is losing money wherever they fly. Now I'm not saying they are correct eithier. It would be interesting to know for sure. I'm guessing a Judge is gonna look at the numbers some time in the future, and if Song is not turning its own profit, he'll say " change it or stop it".

 

[Spooky 1]

Spooky that wasnt directed at you - I agree with you about GG. However, you sure are acting like an ass now. And telling me meeting you might be unpleasant for me.
Grow up man...this isn't 4th grade?

More names? Grow up yourself.

 

[Launchpad]

With regards to the original post, there has been no announcement of any furloughs. It depends on a number of things, they did just recall 3 people from the short list today to fill the Oct recall class.

Just FYI-

 

[wms]

You ask me questions that I really can't answer. Write Grinstein a letter if you want an answer with authority. Song did make profits compared to the old Delta Express service, and even against mainline service. The problem we had is that we were taking planes away from mainline to create Song, not buying new airplanes. Those planes had to be replaced with smaller planes(MD88s etc) and the RJs even had to replace 737s, which didn't help things with business travelers. Thanks for your good wishes.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I was on the golf course with GG last week. He just said "shut up and give me a wedge".