Intereting Article about Spirit

[Grandpa +65]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/business/29spirit.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper

 

[maxblast72]

You can tell most passengers to go to hell as the leave the aircraft and if your airline is cheaper the next the time they book a ticket they will ride you again. It is all about saving a buck nowadays.

 

[Draginass]

Looks like he treats passengers the same way he treats his pilots. At least he's consistent.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

By performing in a way that could be described as not horrible, all things considered, Spirit could become more of an industry model during the downturn, some analysts say.

The flying Gulags are on their way!!!!

 

[climbhappy]

aren't they really skybus in spirit's clothing? this is exactly what skybus set out to do..just didn't get to critical mass fast enough..

 

[huncowboy]

intereting

 

[Flyer1015]

aren't they really skybus in spirit's clothing? this is exactly what skybus set out to do..just didn't get to critical mass fast enough..

Except their (Spirit) pay is, more or less, industry average, if not even a little better. (As opposed to Skybus, which was bottom barrel).

 

[vandypilot]

and spirit has a union and actually a pretty descent contract.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Except their (Spirit) pay is, more or less, industry average, if not even a little better. (As opposed to Skybus, which was bottom barrel).

Weren't their captains making $65K - kind of like a third world a320 operator.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Weren't their captains making $65K - kind of like a third world a320 operator.

Yes, 65K is about right.

BTW, love that avatar, RakeFight. One of my favorite shows from the mid-70's.

 

[jj21211]

Your avatar as well, captain savage. My favorite show from the sixties!

 

[Golden Falcon]

Weren't their captains making $65K - kind of like a third world a320 operator.

most third world 320 capts make more than that!

 

[troll565]

Fellow Spirit Pilots,

The Company informed the Association last night that they will be entering a short term contract with Sun Country to fly Spirit routes while aircraft N525NK under goes an unscheduled, required maintenance inspection. The Company has said it expects this short term contract to last for a period of three to five days, depending on the maintenance required to return aircraft N525NK to line service. The contracting is allowed under Section 1.B.2 of our current CBA.

We felt it was important for the MEC to notify the pilot group to reduce any incorrect speculation as to why this was occurring.

 

[boomlrd]

Fellow Spirit Pilots,

The Company informed the Association last night that they will be entering a short term contract with Sun Country to fly Spirit routes while aircraft N525NK under goes an unscheduled, required maintenance inspection. The Company has said it expects this short term contract to last for a period of three to five days, depending on the maintenance required to return aircraft N525NK to line service. The contracting is allowed under Section 1.B.2 of our current CBA.

We felt it was important for the MEC to notify the pilot group to reduce any incorrect speculation as to why this was occurring.

Troll565,

We all get the MEC messages to our email accounts, why are you posting this here? Are you trying to insinuate there is more to this story? Are you wanting input? What exactly is this accomplishing by being posted here when you know that all Spirit pilots received that same message?
I am definitely a skeptic when it comes to anything this management does, and am all for the posting of information that exposes any management ploy to undermine our contract, however this information seems to be pretty straightforward. That aircraft is being inspected due to a hard landing and needed a short term replacement, I don't see the conspiracy in this, at least not so far. If you have further information, please spill it.

 

[troll565]

other way around. no conspiracy, but Im sure other airline employees are going to see SC at our gates

Troll565,

We all get the MEC messages to our email accounts, why are you posting this here? Are you trying to insinuate there is more to this story? Are you wanting input? What exactly is this accomplishing by being posted here when you know that all Spirit pilots received that same message?
I am definitely a skeptic when it comes to anything this management does, and am all for the posting of information that exposes any management ploy to undermine our contract, however this information seems to be pretty straightforward. That aircraft is being inspected due to a hard landing and needed a short term replacement, I don't see the conspiracy in this, at least not so far. If you have further information, please spill it.

 

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Troll565,

We all get the MEC messages to our email accounts, why are you posting this here? Are you trying to insinuate there is more to this story? Are you wanting input? What exactly is this accomplishing by being posted here when you know that all Spirit pilots received that same message?
I am definitely a skeptic when it comes to anything this management does, and am all for the posting of information that exposes any management ploy to undermine our contract, however this information seems to be pretty straightforward. That aircraft is being inspected due to a hard landing and needed a short term replacement, I don't see the conspiracy in this, at least not so far. If you have further information, please spill it.

Maybe Troll was trying to start a new thread.

You may be wound a little too tight.

 

[maxblast72]

3-5 days. That must have been one hard landing. Anybody lose any teeth?

 

[Amish RakeFight]

BTW, love that avatar, RakeFight. One of my favorite shows from the mid-70's.

Mine too. I loved O-Grady and the neighbor Julio with his pet goat which always wandered into Fred Sanford's yard. Too funny! ...oh and Aunt Ester gets an honorable mention too.

 

[Mike man]

Why did they just fire two pilots?

 

[enigma]

Why did they just fire two pilots?

For failing to report a hard landing, and for verbally assaulting a gate agent.

 

[Mike man]

For failing to report a hard landing, and for verbally assaulting a gate agent.

Oops...I heard Spirit SOC knew about the landing via Airbus phone home and failed to call the station to keep the airplane on the ground. It still doesn't make it any better.

 

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Oops...I heard Spirit SOC knew about the landing via Airbus phone home and failed to call the station to keep the airplane on the ground. It still doesn't make it any better.

A O2 mask compartment was reset, and the crew printed out the landing report showing -177 at touchdown. They KNEW, but still could have gotten away with it if they had just ACARS'd m/x control.

Flying the jet without reporting the landing is what got em, not the landing.

PS, apparently, the FO was not held responsible.

 

[Beetle007]

3 to 5 days is VERY optimistic.

 

[Mike man]

I'm not sure what a -177 code is...anyway a new rumor I just heard is that Airbus doesn't want to sign the aircraft off so they have MX running, rerunning, checking and rechecking different things.

 

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I'm not sure what a -177 code is...anyway a new rumor I just heard is that Airbus doesn't want to sign the aircraft off so they have MX running, rerunning, checking and rechecking different things.

a good landing is 0000, a bad landing is -0010.

The numbers are a rate of RA change at touchdown.

 

[Beetle007]

a good landing is 0000, a bad landing is -0010.

The numbers are a rate of RA change at touchdown.

"-0010" would never appear because rates of descent on the load report only have three digits. Rates of climb are displayed in 4 digits

A value of -100 is negative 10 feet per second and considered a hard landing for purposes of an inspection. A value of -140 is a severe hard landing for purposes of inspection.

Realistically, anything over the -030 range (-3 feet per second) feels firm and anything over -050 feels hard.

 

[enigma]

"-0010" would never appear because rates of descent on the load report only have three digits. Rates of climb are displayed in 4 digits

A value of -100 is negative 10 feet per second and considered a hard landing for purposes of an inspection. A value of -140 is a severe hard landing for purposes of inspection.

Realistically, anything over the -030 range (-3 feet per second) feels firm and anything over -050 feels hard.

I'm no mathamatician. But assuming you and the previous writer are correct, a -177 would be a 17.7feet per second descent. 17.7fps x 60spm is 1062 feet per minute.

That's like flying down the glideslope at 180 knots and forgeting to flare, OUCH.

 

[RemoveB4Flght]

Retard.. Retard.... Retard

 

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Retard.. Retard.... Retard

Are you talking about the union boys who want to strike?

I am. Bad timing, real bad timing.

 

[ThreeGreens]

Are you talking about the union boys who want to strike?

I am. Bad timing, real bad timing.

With oil at 50$, you call that bad timing ? A new contract will not kill Spirit if the economy tanks badly.
Besides, a strike vote does not mean you will be striking 3 days later. It is a long process.
The contract the company offers is unrealistic. But my opinion is that they know they could not get these conditions. All they are trying to do is lower your standard regarding the current one. You are seeing the present contract as not bad after all, and that is exactly what they are trying to accomplish. Look back and ask yourself, what you were hoping for when we started to negociate, and what you are willing to accept now. This kind of attitude makes them win again, and you have contributed to lowering the standard in the whole industry.
So vote NO, and you are one step closer to the contract they offer.
The only weapon we have is being UNITED.