Intereting Article about Spirit

[Mike man]

For failing to report a hard landing, and for verbally assaulting a gate agent.

Oops...I heard Spirit SOC knew about the landing via Airbus phone home and failed to call the station to keep the airplane on the ground. It still doesn't make it any better.

 

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Oops...I heard Spirit SOC knew about the landing via Airbus phone home and failed to call the station to keep the airplane on the ground. It still doesn't make it any better.

A O2 mask compartment was reset, and the crew printed out the landing report showing -177 at touchdown. They KNEW, but still could have gotten away with it if they had just ACARS'd m/x control.

Flying the jet without reporting the landing is what got em, not the landing.

PS, apparently, the FO was not held responsible.

 

[Beetle007]

3 to 5 days is VERY optimistic.

 

[Mike man]

I'm not sure what a -177 code is...anyway a new rumor I just heard is that Airbus doesn't want to sign the aircraft off so they have MX running, rerunning, checking and rechecking different things.

 

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I'm not sure what a -177 code is...anyway a new rumor I just heard is that Airbus doesn't want to sign the aircraft off so they have MX running, rerunning, checking and rechecking different things.

a good landing is 0000, a bad landing is -0010.

The numbers are a rate of RA change at touchdown.

 

[Beetle007]

a good landing is 0000, a bad landing is -0010.

The numbers are a rate of RA change at touchdown.

"-0010" would never appear because rates of descent on the load report only have three digits. Rates of climb are displayed in 4 digits

A value of -100 is negative 10 feet per second and considered a hard landing for purposes of an inspection. A value of -140 is a severe hard landing for purposes of inspection.

Realistically, anything over the -030 range (-3 feet per second) feels firm and anything over -050 feels hard.

 

[enigma]

"-0010" would never appear because rates of descent on the load report only have three digits. Rates of climb are displayed in 4 digits

A value of -100 is negative 10 feet per second and considered a hard landing for purposes of an inspection. A value of -140 is a severe hard landing for purposes of inspection.

Realistically, anything over the -030 range (-3 feet per second) feels firm and anything over -050 feels hard.

I'm no mathamatician. But assuming you and the previous writer are correct, a -177 would be a 17.7feet per second descent. 17.7fps x 60spm is 1062 feet per minute.

That's like flying down the glideslope at 180 knots and forgeting to flare, OUCH.

 

[RemoveB4Flght]

Retard.. Retard.... Retard

 

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Retard.. Retard.... Retard

Are you talking about the union boys who want to strike?

I am. Bad timing, real bad timing.

 

[ThreeGreens]

Are you talking about the union boys who want to strike?

I am. Bad timing, real bad timing.

With oil at 50$, you call that bad timing ? A new contract will not kill Spirit if the economy tanks badly.
Besides, a strike vote does not mean you will be striking 3 days later. It is a long process.
The contract the company offers is unrealistic. But my opinion is that they know they could not get these conditions. All they are trying to do is lower your standard regarding the current one. You are seeing the present contract as not bad after all, and that is exactly what they are trying to accomplish. Look back and ask yourself, what you were hoping for when we started to negociate, and what you are willing to accept now. This kind of attitude makes them win again, and you have contributed to lowering the standard in the whole industry.
So vote NO, and you are one step closer to the contract they offer.
The only weapon we have is being UNITED.

 

[flyboycmsu]

The boys over at Alaska seemed to do just fine in this environment. I'd take those new TA'd rates. Oh well, with this apethetic pilot group dreaming is about all I'll be doing. A lot of people are going to be in for quite a shocker (no pun intended) in the next couple of years if this gets a poor 'yes' turnout

 

[Mike man]

Alaska just got a contract...the company proposed contract has FAR minimums for everything, reserves must call CS by 1500 the day before to receive an assignment that they can assign at their will, into days off etc, 10 days off unless the month has 31 days then 11 days off, poor pay in both seats, worse 401(k), worse insurance, and on and on...If anyone would like a copy of the company proposed contract send me a PM

 

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Alaska just got a contract...the company proposed contract has FAR minimums for everything, reserves must call CS by 1500 the day before to receive an assignment that they can assign at their will, into days off etc, 10 days off unless the month has 31 days then 11 days off, poor pay in both seats, worse 401(k), worse insurance, and on and on...If anyone would like a copy of the company proposed contract send me a PM

Why not just post C9K? While your at it, please post Spirit AlPA's contract demands. Let me SEE what your boys are asking for that is worth striking over.

 

[Mike man]

Spirit AlPA's contract demands. Let me SEE what your boys are asking for that is worth striking over.

That is a very good point...what are we fighting for?

 

[Mike man]

I can't get it to convert to text (well readable text anyway) so here are some highlights...

Longevity...to move one pay step you must fly 840 BLOCK hours. It is downwardly retroactive, meaning all hours flown at Spirit will be divided by 840 and that will be your pay step.

Pay
CA CA DOS+5yrs
1 64.65 72.75
2 96.64 108.75
3 104.46 117.55
4 108.14 121.69
5 115.51 129.98
6 117.65 132.39
7 119.74 134.74
8 121.53 136.76
9 123.35 138.81
10 125.21 140.90
Pay steps are 2% 4% 4% 2% for DOS +3, 4, 5

F/O pay is 55% of CA pay

No more 150% pay for open time pickups

New hire training 1,000 plus 750 per diem until first month after IOE

Deadhead pay 50% of block

Per diem 1.90 with a .05 increase on the 2nd and 5th anniversary of the DOS

10 days off, except for 31 day months then it is 11

95 - 65 hour lines

Rest FAR minimums

Reserves must call CS to receive assignments if they have not received one by 1500 the day before

Reserve days off may be changed by the company on an operational need basis

Training assignments will be assigned to the open periods on a pilots schedule

Minimum guarantee
will be 15 hours less than the highest scheduled line value...so 80-50 hour guarantee

No minimum day for reserves

Block or better per duty period

Vacation
2 weeks accrual for 1-5 year employees
3 weeks for 6+ years

Vacation may be canceled by the company with 2 weeks notice

Probationary pilots may not file grievances nor may they have one filed on their behalf

 

[Mike man]

Per diem 1.90 with a .05 increase on the 2nd and 5th anniversary of the DOS

But only during layover hours, not from check-in to checkout...no per diem on one day trips.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

That's outrageous. We have better work rules by far at Mesaba. Heck I'd bet almost every regional has better work rules than that. Not to mention I make more per hour on a CRJ900. That proposal doesn't even dignify a vote it's so bad.

 

[huncowboy]

That's outrageous. We have better work rules by far at Mesaba. Heck I'd bet almost every regional has better work rules than that. Not to mention I make more per hour on a CRJ900. That proposal doesn't even dignify a vote it's so bad.

We are not voting on a proposal. This is a strike vote. That data above has nothing to do with anything other than being a proposal from the company. It will never be a basis for a TA.

 

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We are not voting on a proposal. This is a strike vote. That data above has nothing to do with anything other than being a proposal from the company. It will never be a basis for a TA.

We all hope that you are correct. C9K is the companies proposal, lucky for us the meditation board wont let them impose it on us.

I'm voting yes, right after I call my rep and tell him that he'd better not use the hammer we're giving him.

If the union gets the big head and calls a strike now, we will get hammered.

 

[Jetpipeovht]

I give the Spirit Chief credit though.

People pay sh*t they get just that, sh*t. Kinda sends passengers a wake up call that the world is not going to revolve around you because you are a cheap @sshole that bought a 29.00 seat.

As for the pilots, I wish you guys the best but with a tool you have as a chief who does not give a sh*t about the folks that generate the income, I have a hard time believing he is going to give a sh*t about you. Good luck.

STAND TOGETHER, STAND UNITED, DON'T BEND OVER.