Integrating AAI into SWA

[Ty Webb]

Some think I work for SWA and a few thing I work for Airtran. I am looking at this with common sense. Good luck.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[PapaWoody]

I said it before but nobody responded. If it goes to arbitration they will look at facts. That is a true statement. DOH will be the only fair way. It will give everybody credit for time spent with the company. Now, since SWA is about 4 times larger there will be a ratio of at least 4:1 from the DOH. It could very well be higher because whether anybody wants to admit, SWA is a better all around airline. Nobody questions that. That is why 100% of Airtran wants to come to SWA and 0% wants it the other way. Don't you think the 3 arbitrators will look at that. Of course they will. As far as what Airtran brings to the table. SWA paid money for anything worth bringing. That is why they bought you. I know it is not what some want to hear but it is the way it will happen. Some think I work for SWA and a few thing I work for Airtran. I am looking at this with common sense. Good luck.

HOW DARE YOU LOOK AT THIS FROM A RATIONAL POINT OF VIEW?!!? COMMON SENSE HAS NO PLACE ON THIS FORUM! IT'S IN THE ToC, I THINK...I RECOMMEND IMMEDIATE TIME IN THE QUIET ROOM! :smash:

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PapaWoody

 

[Ty Webb]

One thing's for sure, there are a few guys on here that are going to be very disappointed.

 

[PapaWoody]

Your right they will look at facts........Fact 1 they use other SLIs as precedent and those other decisions are all decided on relative seniority and expected career progression.

Fact 2, recent SLIs are extremely different from this one, and will be disregarded as precedents for this case. If you want one that comes close, reference the USA/AWA dispatchers arbitrated SLI (arbitrated under A/M, btw), there are enough similarities in that to possibly be precedential. Or stick your head back in the sand and repeat the mantra "relative seniority, relative seniority..." while clicking your ruby slippers together.

PW

 

[PapaWoody]

One thing's for sure, there are a few guys on here that are going to be very disappointed.

Wow, Ty, I actually agree with you on something! The funny thing is, the ones that probably will be are the ones that just hit the career earnings jackpot. Which is just sad .

PW

 

[Cometman]

Your right they will look at facts........Fact 1 they use other SLIs as precedent and those other decisions are all decided on relative seniority and expected career progression.

I do not think there is any precedent for this. I believe MB is new. You start at zero. Besides, lets be realistic. I don't even think Ty Webb thinks he will get relative seniority. Do you really think the number one guy at Airtran that was hired in 1993 will be one number below the top SWA guy that was probably hired in 1974. If you really think that you have some serious problems.

 

[FlyinGuy]

I suggest some counseling for the anger management. Or posting sober

Call your MC and ask them whether they welcome arbitration. Then get back to me.

You might follow your own advice regarding posting. If you think GD Holdings is anything more than an administrative Tool then ..... Go back a word or seven :laugh:

No anger here brother!!! Just commenting on how you seem to have inside information on what our NC wants and on how our pilot group is going to vote. I guess that is why this is the notorious FI. Just post what you deem/want to be factual......then it is!! Just ask Ty, he does this very well.

 

[Ty Webb]

Yeah, ol' Ty's the bad guy. Ty controls all. . . .

 

[MCDU]

I do not think there is any precedent for this. I believe MB is new. You start at zero. Besides, lets be realistic. I don't even think Ty Webb thinks he will get relative seniority. Do you really think the number one guy at Airtran that was hired in 1993 will be one number below the top SWA guy that was probably hired in 1974. If you really think that you have some serious problems.

Well, I guess the USAIR pilots had the same problems. Whats 20 years. It's just relative. Right?

If Southwest pilots have the courage, they would offer DOH to all Valujet pilots, I mean Airtran pilots and protect their capt seats in ATL. And just to be really nice, Southwest should change their callsign since they are keeping The SWA name. New callsign critter ah I mean citrus. That would be swell. Follow Southwest, I mean Citrus.

M

 

[ASADFW7]

SWA pilots have plenty of courage, we now have to go to the party with the fat chick's hairy red headed cousin from Georgia, we have been drinking non stop since September 27th!

 

[ivauir]

Your right they will look at facts........Fact 1 they use other SLIs as precedent and those other decisions are all decided on relative seniority and expected career progression.

Really? You honestly believe that you guys will see a 50 % pay increase AND a 20 year bump in equivalent date of hire? That seems "fair and equitable" to you?

Expected career progression? Be careful with that one: strike vote, attrition to other airlines (including SWA), cash available ...

We can all come out of this deal winners or losers. Try to run up the score and I predict a rough road ahead. Why not simply acknowledge the good times ahead for your group regardless of the SLI outcome.

 

[The Prussian]

Yeah, ol' Ty's the bad guy. Ty controls all. . . .

Just lay down the gun,...and back away slowly... :erm:

 

[cappydd]

IMHO maybe date of hire with a ratio of some sorts!!! There will be fences, but who knows durations. I dont think any AAI pilot is realistically expecting relative senority. Yes, pay raises for all, no matter what seat you may be in.
In the end, we all need to function as ONE!! Lets not be divided as that is the quickest road to a bitter place to work. The bottom line remains that the AAI pilots come to work, and work hard despite the pressures from management, as do the SWA pilots. We have the chance to become a force to be reckoned with, so lets all please work together and not fight amongst ourselves on the issue of integration.

 

[roughneck]

so lets all please work together and not fight amongst ourselves on the issue of integration.

Honest idea. Go to the bottom quietly and lets call it even.

 

[Ty Webb]

IMHO maybe date of hire with a ratio of some sorts!!! There will be fences, but who knows durations. I dont think any AAI pilot is realistically expecting relative senority. Yes, pay raises for all, no matter what seat you may be in.
In the end, we all need to function as ONE!! Lets not be divided as that is the quickest road to a bitter place to work. The bottom line remains that the AAI pilots come to work, and work hard despite the pressures from management, as do the SWA pilots. We have the chance to become a force to be reckoned with, so lets all please work together and not fight amongst ourselves on the issue of integration.

Man, you REALLY have that "FI Newbie" smell. Rico, is that you? :laugh:

ATN-ALPA and SWAPA have both asked their Pilots to not make posts advertising their SLI expectations. You're a junior FO, we get it. Take your low self-esteem elsewhere.