Initial DAL pilot deal details

[Ganja60Heavy]

Tough times

Sounds like you are saying what's in it for me, at a time where people are going through tough times.

Tough day for you......pay cut from $348/hr to $250.


Great day for me! I'm still making $24.50/hr!!






....asswhole

 

[Medeco]

Medeco: You know how you get into an argument with a woman and then you realize you should just stop talking because there is no way you can win.
Now is that time for you in this post.

It sounded like this. The delta pilots wake up and see that the only way they can save their company from declaring bancruptcy is by making huge sacrifices to their hard earned PWA. Then you step in later in the day and say the word scope. Sounds like you are saying what's in it for me, at a time where people are going through tough times.
Now, I know what you meant, but you should try to be a little more politically correct around this industry. Especially on days like today.

I'm sure you guys will be fine. Delta has the power, ASA is the first born and favorite, and Comair is the kid in school who is always in the principals office for something. Some things never change.

Being politically correct is for the Democrats of this world.

I am not sure who gave you the authority to tell someone when they should speak and when the should not.

If you knew what I meant to say, you should not have taken offense to it.

It is a tough day for many Delta people, but dont make it out to be something more than it is.

You'll say what you want and I will do the same, we can agree on this at least.

Medeco

 

[JECKEL]

Medeco has every right to ask those questions, as do every Comair and ASA pilot.

"OUR" company is on the edge of BK as well !!

Since NO CMR/ASA can be present at any meeting or discussion session at "OUR" company, we can only ask.

Any thing that happens at BIG D will eventually effect CMR/ASA.

I feel for every pilot and Delta family for all they are about to endure, but my family is worried too.

Asking these questions shows no disrespect. We are more helpless than you.

Best of luck to all in the Delta pilots.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Medeco has every right to ask those questions, as do every Comair and ASA pilot.

"OUR" company is on the edge of BK as well !!

Since NO CMR/ASA can be present at any meeting or discussion session at "OUR" company, we can only ask.

Any thing that happens at BIG D will eventually effect CMR/ASA.

I feel for every pilot and Delta family for all they are about to endure, but my family is worried too.

Asking these questions shows no disrespect. We are more helpless than you.

Best of luck to all in the Delta pilots.

hear, hear!

 

[DDpaysoff]

Why don't you go read the papers. They will tell you. LOL. They have done a great job for the last year diluting the facts. I'm sure we'll still have our bullshiit paying jobs. Don't worry, besides other hapless regionals nobody is lined up to take our jobs.

 

[michael707767]

I want to know what the immediate future holds for ASA/Comair pilots

Your TA will answer many of those questions.

Here ya go. Have not seen the language yet, but this is basically it.

For every 10,000 block hours that Delta adds above a minimum number (I missed what that number is) Delta Connection can add 1 RJ-70, up to a max of 150 RJ-70s.

 

[701EV]

Michael707767,

Thanks,

701EV

 

[Oakum_Boy]

That doesn't sound promising.

 

[General Lee]

That is what I have heard also, and no additional CR7s if Delta chooses to furlough again. If they add mainline hours, then they can add CR7s.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[JohnDoe]

quote from ganja60heavy:
"Great day for me! I'm still making $24.50/hr!!






....asswhole"




And who's fault is that????

Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you work for those wages.

 

[moscowcfi]

quote from ganja60heavy:
"Great day for me! I'm still making $24.50/hr!!




....asswhole"




And who's fault is that????

Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you work for those wages.

And I suppose you started your career at $250/hr? Perhaps I should just wait until that opportunity comes along.

 

[FDJ2]

A few more details emerging, from a very reliable source. I can confirm what Michael posted about more CRJ7s for DCI carriers, with any additional CRJ7 dependent on an increase in mainline block hours. No word on block hour ratios, but that may be a moot point since mainline block hours need to increase in order for more CRJ7s to go to DCI.

Profit sharing will be 10% for any DAL yearly profit between $500M-$1.5B, above $1.5B profit sharing will be 20%. Obviously no profits no bonus.

Any accrued defined benefit will be maintained. The basic formula I believe is 2.4% FAE x number of years. As an example a DAL pilot with 20 years of service will have a defined benefit 48% of his FAE, a DAL pilot with 8 years would have a defined benefit of 19.2% of his FAE.

The Defined Contribution % is dependent on how many years you have left at DAL. For example a 44 year old dead zoner would get a 14% contribution each month in his own account.

401(k) will be matched at 2%

The 30,000,000 options have not had their strike price set yet and won't until December 1st. So DAL pilots will not benefit from the recent surge in DAL stock. As it was explained to me, SEC rules prohibit our strike price from being lower than at the time the options are issued.

That's all for now.

 

[General Lee]

Also, I just read on our Dalpa website that the furlough recalls will continue, except they will be slowed down, to finish in 2008 instead of 2006.


And, for retirements on DEC 1st, the current pay rates will be used. If you retire after Dec 1st, then the new rates will be used, and that will hurt your FAE because things like unused vacation etc will be using lower rates. Expect a lot of retirements on DEC 1st, but obviously some of them will remain until their replacements are trained.....



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[JohnDoe]

"And I suppose you started your career at $250/hr? Perhaps I should just wait until that opportunity comes along."


Never said I did.......I made that same 24.50 an hour myself at one point. But I never responded to somebody who is taking a pay cut by b!tching and moaning about my salary or throwing insults around. I knew what the salary was, I accepted it by continuing to work there. You don't like making 24.50 an hour....don't work there.

 

[~~~^~~~]

General there is still hope. My understanding ( subject to correction as facts roll out ) is that furlough protection & scope issues involving the DCI carriers were delayed due to the complexity of the situation ( ie ALPA National uncomfortable with the way the RJDC litigation is progressing ) and that the issue will be revisited when there is more time to be deliberate. That probably is not a bad thing and hopefully something mutually beneficial can be worked out.

The RJ70's bring in 40% more revenue with about the same costs of -200's. We really don't need more 50 seat jets. Delta, the Delta pilots and the DCI pilots have common interests. If ALPA is willing to progress deliberately and correctly, this could be an opportunity to get the guys back flying again.

These are significant cuts and I hope this does not ring hollow, but "thank you." I hope Delta will be around for a long time.

~~~^~~~

 

[General Lee]

Fins,


I want that too, and I also want our furloughs to come back ASAP. I understand that Delta is in "cost savings mode" right now. I personally don't mind if DCI gets more CR7s--especially if it does contribute to the bottom line. And, I think it is prudent for Dalpa to ask for a provision that aligns the number of CR7s to the growth of mainline---that seems fair. The more growth, the faster our furloughs will come back. With our costs lower, more growth should eventually come too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Captain X]

Not being informed to the highest degree of accuracy I hesitate to articulate for fear that I may deviate from the true course of rectitude. In short, sir, I'm very ignorant and don't know what "PBS" stands for in the message about the DAL TA.

WHOOP!

 

[7KCAB]

So I'm guessing this DAL block hours-for-DCI 700's voids the 25 new 200's for ASA, or is this after the fact, or do we know yet?

 

[General Lee]

I thought we were adding 6% more total flights in Feb? That would probably mean more CR7s.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[tbkane]

Where did you get the 2008 thing for all furloughs to be returned??? I thought we were not going to pay more than anyone else??? If I am not back till 2008 that is seven years with no pay. That is a lot of money to give up. General I hope your wrong as I can't seem to get into the ALPA website.


TK+0