In the end, the answer proved much simpler, didn't it?
Two old threads you've now dug up, before the MECs have finished meeting to discuss the future about the flowdown and flowup.
Why don't you just wait like everyone else?
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In the end, the answer proved much simpler, didn't it?
Two old threads you've now dug up, before the MECs have finished meeting to discuss the future about the flowdown and flowup.
Why don't you just wait like everyone else?
Are you suggesting mainline pilots will be willing to flow down to Trans States?
Somehow that loose end got tidied up.CPZ can't be sold. If CPZ is sold, there are very strict penalties involved. I barked up this tree many times when CPZ was being created.
So, does this staple vindicate the RJDC? Just curious as I am (thank God) no longer a 121 pilot.
RJDC was about the regional jet pilots wanting mainline scope abolished so that they may grow the cancer from within until it became so big as to overtake the mainline.
I just got a settlement check, and ACL65Pilot claims the settlement agreement is affecting DALPA scope....not perfect, but money well spent....:uzi:
My other fear is that if we staple Compass, the Comair pilots will use this as a springboard to once again try and force their way on to our list, and I want no part of that.
Not true.DL pilots seem to think scope is bad too
Not true.
The mainline pilots at DL (NWA, US Air and United) have been taught to think of scope in economic terms, as something to be bargained with. When management wishes to violate scope, they see it as a bargaining event.
Pilots at Southwest, CAL & American seem to better understand scope is a job protection device.
The Delta pilots say the lack of furloughs (currently) and their contract justifies their position. They have created economic disincentives to furlough pilots.
It is a different approach to scope. Both camps think they have it right. Bankruptcy negotiations involved a lot of horse trading using credits for different parts of the contracts involved. It changed the thinking of those involved.
Any talk of staple back in '99 when DAL bought ASA lead to a lynching by the "DOH" crowd as I recall.. We had the chance to end the RJ whipsaw once and for all at that time, but RJ (and ATR) captains felt they were entitled to 757 left seats since "I've been flying Delta passengers for 10 years!" was the state of mind!
At least the Compass guys have half a brain.. even if it's wishful thinking that the DAL MEC cares anything about the junior pilots enough to do this.
There was no DOH demand. Never happened.
If you claim it did happen, prove it. Reference one MEC publication which had any reference what so ever to a demand for DOH seniority published by an ASA, or Comair pilot. If it happened, some evidence must exist, somewhere.
DOH was (and is) a lie which was used to distract from the fact the mainline negotiators were outsourcing jobs. DOH was used to build mistrust and bigotry towards pilots who had no seat at the negotiating table. It was a distraction.
The only DOH merger proposal in Delta's recent history was taken by f-NWA pilots. Even they did not get it.
So why are some pilots still angry about something that had no chance of success if it did happen and as a matter of historical record, never even happened? ... and don't come back on here saying "I heard a guy in the crew room who heard JC Laswon's sister at the 31 Flavors say ...." If it was real it would have left a paper trail and there is none.
Fools, damned fools, are the reason we've outsourced half of our profession. Motivated by misinformation and bigotry they waste time attacking straw men, while ratifying contracts which outsource more and more jobs.
FMS-Speed, you still don't get it. We didn't demand DOH...We simply wanted to be treated fairly. DOH wasn't fair and a pure staple isn't fair. I'm glad it never happened....I think ASA has a bright future with Skywest. I would have been furloughed for many years with a pure staple. Instead I enjoyed a good schedule and a good paycheck during those years...Why would I want to give that up?