Informational Stapling Compass to Delta Website

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And if DAL furloughs they will all be on street, with or without a staple. If they flow up, they go right to the bottom of list. I think most would rather have recall rights to DAL instead of CPZ

Along those lines, the Alaska pilots might be the ones who should have concerns about this (just joking).

At US Air, pilots who flowed down to MidAtlantic (1998 DOH) were considered furloughed by the arbitrator and stapled behind the most junior America West pilot (2004).

If a Delta pilot gets displaced to an E170, it would be much better if they were considered "Delta" pilots and not Compass pilots. A designation as a Compass pilot would be about as useful as a job at Home Depot during SLI integration.

 

[GOULET!]

As another first year Compass FO who does not get a vote, nor can I attend the meeting on Monday because of my trip trades being rejected more times than I can count, I too have written my reps and have made my voice heard. We are at a very important time to finally make some progress and return the flying to its rightful spot. Please continue to spread the word. This has the potential to be beneficial for everybody involved.

We CAN NOT afford to have our MEC spun off to be represented seperately. This will be a disaster for the Compass pilot group and for the future of the industry.

 

[ROSWELL41]

I hope you guys can get Compass stapled on the list. Another question though: what would stop management from adding more outsourced 76 seat jets once the Compass planes are now considered 'mainline'? Aren't 3 large RJs allowed for every additional mainline plane? How are you guys going to cause those 36 E-175s to not be considered 'mainline growth'? I figure this is what management will want? Are you guys willing to make this tradeoff?

 

[Fly4hire]

Along those lines, the Alaska pilots might be the ones who should have concerns about this (just joking).

At US Air, pilots who flowed down to MidAtlantic (1998 DOH) were considered furloughed by the arbitrator and stapled behind the most junior America West pilot (2004).

If a Delta pilot gets displaced to an E170, it would be much better if they were considered "Delta" pilots and not Compass pilots. A designation as a Compass pilot would be about as useful as a job at Home Depot during SLI integration.

I agree with you, OTOH a seniority number is a seniority number - this was done by the arbitrator. The only way I see to really get around possible pitfall is to have the pilots and the aircraft on the property - or not use an arbitrator. We can call it a a super-duper-not-really-furlough category, but an arbitrator can look at it and say it's still a furlough by any other name.

 

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The only way I see to really get around possible pitfall is to have the pilots and the aircraft on the property.

Exactly. .......

The way I see it, the downside risks to divesting Compass from the Delta MEC are:

• Reduction of Delta pilots negotiating power in the next Section 6
• Creation of an alter ego whipsaw pilot group
• Threats to Section 1
  • Cancellation of the bilateral flow
  • Waiver of the 76 seat fleet reset provision (as a sudden reduction in the flying of other pilot groups likely would trigger ALPA's own protective mechanisms)
  • Expansion of outsourced flying

The upside benefits to supporting a "one list" mentality are:

• More power, as the Delta MEC would represent more of Delta's flying = better contracts
• Improving pay rates, as the 76 seat E170 leaves 12 paying passengers at the gate. There is more revenue to be made in this platform
• A growth airplane in a growth market. Delta can use these to beat Southwest, AirTran, US Air, Air Canada, Virgin and the others.
• Growth for the Delta pilots
• REAL JOB SECURITY for Delta pilots that actually works during a downturn, or corporate merger transaction.
• Outsourcing COSTS money - see below

UPDATE 1-Frontier Airlines gets $40mln DIP commitment

Thu Mar 5, 2009 7:41pm EST
*Republic to provide $40 mln DIP financing to Frontier
*Republic to get damage claim of $150 mln

Those who think getting the E170 back to mainline will be hard need to consider where Republic is going with Delta's money. For one, they are "saving" a competitor, also they are setting up the Indy Air scenario, again

Outsourcing puts money on the balance sheets of Companies who don't like us very much. Last year the DCI carriers reported more than a quarter billion in operating profits. I'd like that in MY profit sharing check, anyone with me?

 

[ROSWELL41]

Exactly. .......

I hope you guys sort out all of the pitfalls. If you guys bring these 36 planes and associated pilots onboard and management outsources 108 more large RJ's as a result...Well you get the idea. Whenever we go to management with our good intentions, it always seems to backfire.

 

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Roswell,

The resolution closes that loophole. If Compass no longer existed, there would be no need for that loophole anyway.

There would have to be minor changes to Section 1 to maintain "status quo."

It is a realistic, small step, to start improving Delta scope. Some are upset that it is not a larger step, but consider, IT IS THE FIRST STEP IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION than the path we have been on since 2001.

The PDF file closes with two excellent quotes that I'm glad they included:

“…our adversaries have developed only one strategy that has ever worked: divide and conquer. They have used it to drive pilot groups to bid against each other, to undermine support for your pilot reps during and after negotiations, and to set pilot groups within a single network against each other in a struggle to fly certain airliners. We must remain eternally vigilant against this strategy. That’s why our union, and the entire labor movement, is renewing the push for unity…. “

Captain Duane Woerth, ALPA President
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“We are no longer in survival mode, we will spare no effort to aggressively fight. Now, like never before, we are going to work across all segments and corporate brands to restore our proud profession. It is time to take back what all of our pilots gave up, and ALPA is ready to lead that fight.”

Captain John Prater, ALPA President​

This is the action our leadership has directed.

 

[N2264J]

Don't interpret "combine compass" as in any way excluding you, CMR, or any other group.

But that's what this does.

Question: If Delta can realize the savings by combining the Delta and Compass lists, why not get three times the savings and benefits by including Comair and Mesaba? It makes the first paragraph of "The Compass Question" seem silly and insincere while he's trying to set the tone. I understand these flyers are being placed in Vfiles all over the system so we can assume management already has it.

By arbitrarily excluding two of the wholly owns, it showcases a union schism management is sure to exploit.

 

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N2264J,

I agree with your point enthusiastically, but Delta pilots can't make your case for you.

The difference is that the Delta MEC represents the Compass pilots. Delta pilots also have a voice to their MEC.

I have no voice to your MEC and anything that the Delta MEC does has been historically interpreted by the DCI MEC's as hostile and predatory.

Frankly, I'd love it if your MECs got on board! But, Delta pilots have no power to speak for you. You'll need to speak up yourself.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

But that's what this does.

:bawling: :crying: :bawling: :crying:
Try another lawsuit then. After all you were so successful the first time around!

Question: If Delta can realize the savings by combining the Delta and Compass lists, why not get three times the savings and benefits by including Comair and Mesaba?

Answer: Comair is on its way out. As in Buh Bye!