Impact of Delta Selling Regionals on Flow-through & Flow-back?

[michael707767]

I remember it was like yesterday that Delta was contemplating furloughs, but it was Compass's flow-through (among other things) that saved a LOT of our bacons. Now that the flow is all but gone, our Delta mgmt just found a way to cheaply furlough at will from now on.

I can only shake my head when we didn't go ahead and pursue stapling the CPZ guys when we had a chance... that ship has sailed.

Yeah, and then what? Delta would have sent the E-175s to Republic or someone else, and then the Compass pilots would have been on the street.

I am all for putting regional flying on our list. But, you have to fix scope first. Absent scope that assures us that flying, Delta will just sell those jets to another regional and we have accomplished nothing.

 

[chjack]

Yeah, and then what? Delta would have sent the E-175s to Republic or someone else, and then the Compass pilots would have been on the street.

I am all for putting regional flying on our list. But, you have to fix scope first. Absent scope that assures us that flying, Delta will just sell those jets to another regional and we have accomplished nothing.

yeah, but the delta pilots get to keep their jobs. thats all he was getting at.

 

[RJ Bum]

DAL cracks me up. Didn't we already go through this when they bought ASA and CMR???? The same tagline was used then, "to streamline and to control costs." Then they decided to farm out to anyone that would do the flights like CHQ, Mesa, Pinnacle, Eagle, and a few others to create competition to save money. Now they want to "streamline" again. How many times will they repeat the same "original" ideas???

 

[crj130driver]

Something is cooking and it smells a lot like a rat!

 

[another cfii]

Yep. Can't remember when did they announce a significant deal on a webcast, or a proper media outlet. Heck, it's not even on our DeltaNet this morning! I had to find that out on facebook!

 

[michael707767]

yeah, but the delta pilots get to keep their jobs. thats all he was getting at.

Hmm, what about the Compass pilots? IMHO, ALPA sold them out by not keeping them in our MEC. I have no doubt the sellout continues, with ALPA being on board with denying them a flow. They deserve better than that.

 

[johnsonrod]

If people were hired with the promise of a flow-up (and NWA's full knowledge at the time), then the current pilots should probably be grandfathered in (not new pilots going forward). Otherwise we are talking about bait-and-switch. Sure, business needs change but the newhires joined in good faith with that understanding - many left other flying positions for the opportunity... It will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[livin'thesim]

If people were hired with the promise of a flow-up (and NWA's full knowledge at the time), then the current pilots should probably be grandfathered in (not new pilots going forward). Otherwise we are talking about bait-and-switch. Sure, business needs change but the newhires joined in good faith with that understanding - many left other flying positions for the opportunity... It will be interesting to see what happens.

Well, yeah, but flow-through agreements have a history of disappointing.

I considered applying at Compass back when they started, and it looked like a very good deal at the time. But I was always skeptical of the flow.

It seems like one of those too-good-to-be-true things.

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

If people were hired with the promise of a flow-up (and NWA's full knowledge at the time), then the current pilots should probably be grandfathered in (not new pilots going forward). Otherwise we are talking about bait-and-switch. Sure, business needs change but the newhires joined in good faith with that understanding - many left other flying positions for the opportunity... It will be interesting to see what happens.

When Continental spun off COEX into XJT, they terminated the flow through. A deal was worked out to give the upper part of the senority list a preferential interview, but that was it. Bottom line, I doubt DAL has any requirement to give current compass pilots anything going forward. Sucks, but that's the way it goes.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Oh ok.....VOR!!

So should I strike over this?? Should I bleed a river over this?? Does DALPA run the company??

Take this thread to the Regional board becuase that's where it belongs

 

[Lear70]

Oh ok.....VOR!!

So should I strike over this?? Should I bleed a river over this?? Does DALPA run the company??

Take this thread to the Regional board becuase that's where it belongs

Not a chance. It stays.

This is important, as a lot of people expected their flow-through agreement to a Legacy carrier to be honored. If it's not, it has a lot of implications moving forward for EVERY Major airline pilot who might be furloughed in the future and who goes to work for a Regional at the bottom of the F/O list for crap pay simply for the promise of the flow-through.

I won't be highly surprised if they *DO* cancel the flow-throughs, but I *will* be highly disappointed. A lot of people made the choice to go to those carriers based on that; pretty crappy if they take it away.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Ok then Lear....

Riddle me this? What about all the people who filled out apps and hustled to get a job like in the old days? Is it too hard to do again?? Anybody who goes to an airline based on a promise to go somewhere else has flawed logic. The last time the bigs furloughed, only a few took jobs back at the regional, most guys wouldn't want the schedule OR the lifestyle.

Throttle back everybody here and quit the emotional BS, nobody has cancelled the flow-thrus yet.....

I'll be damned surprised if DALPA has any say in this.......

Maybe the Compass people can convince others that they were "hired by Northwest!"

 

[another cfii]

I'll be letting my LEC rep knows how i feel about this issue. It's not about how DALPA will use this as leverage anymore. We're talking about a few hundred fellow pilots that got sold down the river.

If DL cancels the flow all together, there's a hefty penalty to our 76 seat RJ scope, i.e. 86 to be taken out to be exact. It will have to be resolved with DALPA and CPZ MEC. It's gonna be interesting.

 

[Fltlvls]

I'm waiting for GL to chime in on this one!!..He must be too busy eating sundaes on his way to Europe.

 

[Lear70]

I didn't say anything about it not being good to apply, network, and work hard to get hired, just as we've always done.

What I *DID* say was that I believe it would be egregiously WRONG *IF* they canceled the flow-throughs. Like any other employment promise, your wage that you're hired at, your days off, vacation, etc that are all part of your employment agreement, if a flow-through is part of that, then reneging on that agreement is inherently WRONG.

We will see what they do... like I said, I won't be surprised, but will be very disappointed.