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At first all the info is a lot to absorb. You will be playing catch up on the first few flights. Don't let that worry you its a natural part of transitioning into a jet. Nothing like a sunset from FL410. Good Luck
Oh yea. Now you will need to start thinking at least 100miles in front of you!
At first all the info is a lot to absorb. You will be playing catch up on the first few flights. Don't let that worry you its a natural part of transitioning into a jet. Nothing like a sunset from FL410. Good Luck
Oh yea. Now you will need to start thinking at least 100miles in front of you!
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First I'd like to say CONGRATS!
I to went from flight instructing to flying a Lear 25D a few years back......The first few flights I was still on the ramp trying to get the door closed at the departure airport while the Captain was calling for the shutdown checklist...at the destination....It took me a couple hundred hours to get "comfortable" (and I use it sparingly) with the airplane.....after about a year and a few hundred hours in the airplane I was just about to figure it out.
I loved the performance taking off empty....(what an adreanline rush)
Just be humble and learn all you can...The Lear is a great airplane, respect her and she will take good care of you. I really learned how to "hand fly" while operating the 20 series as the autopilot was notorius(sp?) for failing....(at least ours was)....
Again Congratulations and enjoy!
First I'd like to say CONGRATS!
I to went from flight instructing to flying a Lear 25D a few years back......The first few flights I was still on the ramp trying to get the door closed at the departure airport while the Captain was calling for the shutdown checklist...at the destination....It took me a couple hundred hours to get "comfortable" (and I use it sparingly) with the airplane.....after about a year and a few hundred hours in the airplane I was just about to figure it out.
I loved the performance taking off empty....(what an adreanline rush)
Just be humble and learn all you can...The Lear is a great airplane, respect her and she will take good care of you. I really learned how to "hand fly" while operating the 20 series as the autopilot was notorius(sp?) for failing....(at least ours was)....
Again Congratulations and enjoy!
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AWESOME DUDE
I know just how you feel dude. I was fortunate enough to get my break in Learjets about 31/2 years ago, and have loved it 99% of the time. My free and highly suspect advice is as folows:
Don't believe all the horror stories you hear about the jet. They are propagated by egotists or folks who never became fully aquinted with the jet.
Learjets are actually honest, stable airplanes that are flown like any other A/C you've ever been in. Once you get past the OH MY G... LOOK HOW FAST WERE GOING!, You'll find it really is just another airplane. I mean good grief, if I can fly the dumb things...
The Lear is an instrument airplane. unlike the types you've flown before, your not gonna find many usefull parts of the AC to compare to the horizon, It's all behind you. Even on a sunny day, a good portion of flying will be "heads down." Stare at the flight instruments and make them do exactly what you want. Instead of a "primary/supporting" method you may have learned for instrument flying, THe Lear is all ADI. Put the yellow airplane and thrust levers where you want them, and cross-check the other instruments to make sure they follow.
The Lear, even more than some other jets is a trim hog. You will be trimming in orders of magnitude that you never have. The 20 series have an audible trim in motion clacker. Watch the folks you fly with and observe (listen) to how they use the trim.
Pick the brains of everyone you fly with. Even someone new to turbojet ops can seperate the sane from the otherwise, use their experience to help you learn. You didn't mention if you're going to SF or FSI, hopefully they are sending you. If not, YOU are the one responsible for learning the A/C, but there are lots of us to help you out. Some random observations:
CHAIR FLY IN THE COCKPIT
WATCH OTHER LEARS TAKEOFF AND LAND, PUT YOURSELF IN THE COCKPIT MENTALLY, AND TRY MAKING ALL THE CALLOUTS. This will help a lot your first flight.
DO NOT EVER FLY WITH ANY LUNATIC WHO VIOLATES ANY LIMITATION OR LEARJET PROCEDURE. I don't care how much you love this job and how experienced Captain "America" may seem, SPEAK UP! It is NOT OK to land over max landing weight. It is NOT OK to depart over MATOGW. It is NOT OK to pull the tone gen breaker and fly past redline. It IS NOT OK to duck under minimums "just to take a look" The Learjet supposedely "rolls real nice.." IF YOU'RE NOT SITTING NEXT TO PETE REYNOLDS, (LR Test Pilot) DON'T DO IT.
The Learjet is a safe effective Aircraft that will bring you home time and again if you fly it by the book, treat it suspiciously, and blindly adhere to all regulatory and procedural guidance. In the hands of some "wanna be" the Learjet deserves the bad rep it sometimes gets. OK, warnings aside, your gonna love the airplane. If I can do anything to help you out, DON'T HESITATE TO DROP ME A LINE.
The best advice I can give you is:
BE HUMBLE
HAVE A BLAST, BRO!
Warmest Regards,
DAN
I know just how you feel dude. I was fortunate enough to get my break in Learjets about 31/2 years ago, and have loved it 99% of the time. My free and highly suspect advice is as folows:
Don't believe all the horror stories you hear about the jet. They are propagated by egotists or folks who never became fully aquinted with the jet.
Learjets are actually honest, stable airplanes that are flown like any other A/C you've ever been in. Once you get past the OH MY G... LOOK HOW FAST WERE GOING!, You'll find it really is just another airplane. I mean good grief, if I can fly the dumb things...
The Lear is an instrument airplane. unlike the types you've flown before, your not gonna find many usefull parts of the AC to compare to the horizon, It's all behind you. Even on a sunny day, a good portion of flying will be "heads down." Stare at the flight instruments and make them do exactly what you want. Instead of a "primary/supporting" method you may have learned for instrument flying, THe Lear is all ADI. Put the yellow airplane and thrust levers where you want them, and cross-check the other instruments to make sure they follow.
The Lear, even more than some other jets is a trim hog. You will be trimming in orders of magnitude that you never have. The 20 series have an audible trim in motion clacker. Watch the folks you fly with and observe (listen) to how they use the trim.
Pick the brains of everyone you fly with. Even someone new to turbojet ops can seperate the sane from the otherwise, use their experience to help you learn. You didn't mention if you're going to SF or FSI, hopefully they are sending you. If not, YOU are the one responsible for learning the A/C, but there are lots of us to help you out. Some random observations:
CHAIR FLY IN THE COCKPIT
WATCH OTHER LEARS TAKEOFF AND LAND, PUT YOURSELF IN THE COCKPIT MENTALLY, AND TRY MAKING ALL THE CALLOUTS. This will help a lot your first flight.
DO NOT EVER FLY WITH ANY LUNATIC WHO VIOLATES ANY LIMITATION OR LEARJET PROCEDURE. I don't care how much you love this job and how experienced Captain "America" may seem, SPEAK UP! It is NOT OK to land over max landing weight. It is NOT OK to depart over MATOGW. It is NOT OK to pull the tone gen breaker and fly past redline. It IS NOT OK to duck under minimums "just to take a look" The Learjet supposedely "rolls real nice.." IF YOU'RE NOT SITTING NEXT TO PETE REYNOLDS, (LR Test Pilot) DON'T DO IT.
The Learjet is a safe effective Aircraft that will bring you home time and again if you fly it by the book, treat it suspiciously, and blindly adhere to all regulatory and procedural guidance. In the hands of some "wanna be" the Learjet deserves the bad rep it sometimes gets. OK, warnings aside, your gonna love the airplane. If I can do anything to help you out, DON'T HESITATE TO DROP ME A LINE.
The best advice I can give you is:
BE HUMBLE
HAVE A BLAST, BRO!
Warmest Regards,
DAN
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Thanks everyone.
I spent about three hours in the airplane today while two techs tried to get the AI on my side to spin up. No luck today. It's ok, though, it's not the only plane we have. While they worked, I sketched the panel and read the flight manual, going over checklists, emergency procedures, limitations, the works. I'm sure it will seem simpler when I watch the preflight being demonstrated. For instance, the trim tests are different depending on serial number, and the manual lists all of the versions possible. Same thing with autopilot tests, stall warning tests, and the like.
The boss has already told me to expect to be behind the airplane for a few flights. I'm going to try and limit just how far behind I am.
I'd like to see a diagram showing the correct way to get past the pedestal and into the seat. Is it easier to get into a 45? I think I'm going to start doing ab crunches again...
I spent about three hours in the airplane today while two techs tried to get the AI on my side to spin up. No luck today. It's ok, though, it's not the only plane we have. While they worked, I sketched the panel and read the flight manual, going over checklists, emergency procedures, limitations, the works. I'm sure it will seem simpler when I watch the preflight being demonstrated. For instance, the trim tests are different depending on serial number, and the manual lists all of the versions possible. Same thing with autopilot tests, stall warning tests, and the like.
The boss has already told me to expect to be behind the airplane for a few flights. I'm going to try and limit just how far behind I am.
I'd like to see a diagram showing the correct way to get past the pedestal and into the seat. Is it easier to get into a 45? I think I'm going to start doing ab crunches again...
I'll never forget the first time I rolled down the runway in the right seat of a Lear 35. It was like a go-cart at 200MPH., I have found that the rush is greater in the 35 vs the 20 series as the rotation speed is greater. There is nothing like a Lear it is a wonderful machine, if I had my choice of the aircraft that I would be flying all the time it would be the Lear. The 35 is great as it has the range to go to Europe or anywhere else in the world. The auto-pilot works great on the 35 on the 20 series it is a piece of junk unless the operator spends a lot of money keeping it up. We just hand flew the 20 series all the time. You need any help or have any questions you can PM me, I have a copy of that Lear manual too if you need it.
Congrats!
I'm almost in the same boat as you.
After flightinstructing for about a year I lucked in and got a job flying a Lear 55 out of FXE.
I'm actually overnighting in Boston right now on my second trip and I'm telling you it can't gt better than this!
I still don't know what I'm doing, and the irplane sure is aster than that good old Duchess but man it's a bast.
The other guys had somegood advices though. Get a hold of the AFM, emergency checklists, limitations and the Flightsafety Manual and start reading. Also sit in th airplane and familiarize yourself with switches and buttons as you do the checklst. That has helped me out a lot my few flights
Now, if I could only get used to saying FLIGHT-LEVEL 390 instead of 39 000, maybe I wouldn't sound so much like a rookie!
Anyway, good luck in your new job and maybe we'll meet in the flightlevels one day.
I'm almost in the same boat as you.
After flightinstructing for about a year I lucked in and got a job flying a Lear 55 out of FXE.
I'm actually overnighting in Boston right now on my second trip and I'm telling you it can't gt better than this!
I still don't know what I'm doing, and the irplane sure is aster than that good old Duchess but man it's a bast.
The other guys had somegood advices though. Get a hold of the AFM, emergency checklists, limitations and the Flightsafety Manual and start reading. Also sit in th airplane and familiarize yourself with switches and buttons as you do the checklst. That has helped me out a lot my few flights
Now, if I could only get used to saying FLIGHT-LEVEL 390 instead of 39 000, maybe I wouldn't sound so much like a rookie!
Anyway, good luck in your new job and maybe we'll meet in the flightlevels one day.
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OK, time for an update.
First, I thank God that we have no 20 series aircraft, only 35's and a 55.
I had a part 91 flight yesterday with my company owner as PIC and the jet's owner in the back. Apparently, it was time for this Florida "snowbird" to return to New Jersey.
The boss and I went down from PHL on AirTran, in a brand spankin' new 717 that smellled like a new Corvette. We drove from Lauderdale up to Boca, met the owner (along with beaucoups baggage, after all, he had been there since last fall) and flew him home to Jersey. I was so awed by the sheer speed on takeoff (I was once a drag racer, so I enjoyed this part a lot) that I missed the first two calls, airspeed and power set, but luckily I came to my senses in time to call V1 and rotate. We don't wear headsets, so I was missing my ususal "head clamping" from my DC's, and now I have to get back to my roots and use a speaker and hand mike...the same model mike I used in the Cherokee 140 I started in! I guess I could call it the circle of Aviation Life.
The flight from jersey back to Pa went a liitle better. We left VFR just after that rain had cleared out, and it was sunny all the way. I had the calls, and missed none on the radio. It was starting to feel like home. I had never before travelled at 2,500 MSL while doing 250 indicated.
Today I finished the formal systems ground school, and tomorrow we fly all morning to work on my official SIC status, file the background check papers for my airport ID, and then I go and get a passport for those three day island trips.
You know, I can get used to this.
First, I thank God that we have no 20 series aircraft, only 35's and a 55.
I had a part 91 flight yesterday with my company owner as PIC and the jet's owner in the back. Apparently, it was time for this Florida "snowbird" to return to New Jersey.
The boss and I went down from PHL on AirTran, in a brand spankin' new 717 that smellled like a new Corvette. We drove from Lauderdale up to Boca, met the owner (along with beaucoups baggage, after all, he had been there since last fall) and flew him home to Jersey. I was so awed by the sheer speed on takeoff (I was once a drag racer, so I enjoyed this part a lot) that I missed the first two calls, airspeed and power set, but luckily I came to my senses in time to call V1 and rotate. We don't wear headsets, so I was missing my ususal "head clamping" from my DC's, and now I have to get back to my roots and use a speaker and hand mike...the same model mike I used in the Cherokee 140 I started in! I guess I could call it the circle of Aviation Life.
The flight from jersey back to Pa went a liitle better. We left VFR just after that rain had cleared out, and it was sunny all the way. I had the calls, and missed none on the radio. It was starting to feel like home. I had never before travelled at 2,500 MSL while doing 250 indicated.
Today I finished the formal systems ground school, and tomorrow we fly all morning to work on my official SIC status, file the background check papers for my airport ID, and then I go and get a passport for those three day island trips.
You know, I can get used to this.
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Now these are the kinds of replies I like seeing. You can literally see the enthusiasm you have with flying. Congratulations once again on the job and remember Once you think you know everything, that's when something bad happens to humble you. Enjoy the Lear and have fun.
Rook
600' AGL Autopilot on.
'WHEW!'
Rook
600' AGL Autopilot on.
'WHEW!'
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