ILS Critical Area Hold Line

[atl pilot]

Stifler...
Thanks for the PM (2 additional pilots emailed me with this exact question in the last couple of days, now I know why)!
We (ATC) must protect the ILS Critical area when the weather is less than 800/2. Now in the case of your specific question about using B-V at ATL after landing Rwy 8L, that critical area you are seeing depiected along B is for the glideslope for 8R, so its not an issue (so long as we're not landing the inboard) for you to continue without worry on the B-V routing.
Having said that, if a controller neglects to hold you short of a critical area to a runway that you know is in use with arrivals, and the weather is less than 800/2, it would be prudent for you guys and gals (as pilots) to ask the question before encroaching the area. The guy out there on the final just might be one of your buddies and dirsuption of the signal in IMC would require they execute a missed apporach. It other words, controllers are only human. We do make mistakes. This is supposed to be a team endeavor, so any help you can provide is apprecaited (might not always sound like it - but it is)!
Hope that answers your question!

 

[Metro752]

What the fyck? ********************ing I'm a ********************ing noob, but how does this thread argue this simple point?


When:

• 800 & 2....
• Noted on the ATIS...
• Instructed by ATC
• In doubt....

anything less than that and you're just a dumbass, plain and simple

 

[jegermeister]

What the fyck? ********************ing I'm a ********************ing noob, but how does this thread argue this simple point?


When:

• 800 & 2....
• Noted on the ATIS...
• Instructed by ATC
• In doubt....

anything less than that and you're just a dumbass, plain and simple

Lighten up Francis

 

[viper548]

when the LOC started going full scale left and right like a single mom swinging on a brass pole.

E got re-married, again, so it would be a thrice married mom swinging on a brass pole.

 

[Metro752]

Lighten up Francis

JAEGER BOMBSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrllCZw8jiM


jagerrrrrrrrr bOMBSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSZZZZZZZ

 

[moonship]

Every other leg into an uncontrolled airport for me and while I have yet to have an issue with reception there is a lack of understanding of the requirement to hold short of the ILS hold line as I have popped out down low a few times to find an aircraft inside the protected area. Fortunately for us usually small GA aircraft that did not affect our approach.

 

[FlySacto]

Whoa!

E got re-married, again, so it would be a thrice married mom swinging on a brass pole.

Dude!!!! Two's my limit. Be carefful

 

[Carl_Spackler]

What the fyck? ********************ing I'm a ********************ing noob, but how does this thread argue this simple point?


When:

• 800 & 2....
• Noted on the ATIS...
• Instructed by ATC
• In doubt....

anything less than that and you're just a dumbass, plain and simple

Actually you are incorrect. It is 800 OR 2, not 800 AND 2.

 

[Metro752]

if it makes you feel better, AND/OR

you can see a ******************** ton with a 800 foot ceiling, and 10 miles vis.......



<3

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Less than 800 OR less than 2 miles. I know there is an "and" in there, but it's redundant.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Wow 3 pages. All these so-called professional pilots not knowing that the critical area goes into effect at <800 and/or 2 miles. Funny. The OP could have easily looked up the reg. Sheeesh. If you're not told to do so, it's prudent to hold short of the critical area under these conditions. Have some common sense.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

just wait til someone asks about flight/duty time

 

[Andy Neill]

OK, here is the reference source from the JO7110.65S (Air Traffic Control):

3-7-5. PRECISION APPROACH CRITICAL AREA
a. ILS critical area dimensions are described in FAAO 6750.16, Siting Criteria for Instrument Landing Systems. Aircraft and vehicle access to the ILS/MLS critical area must be controlled to ensure the integrity of ILS/MLS course signals whenever conditions are less than reported ceiling 800 feet or visibility less than 2 miles. Do not authorize vehicles/aircraft to operate in or over the critical area, except as specified in subpara a1, whenever an arriving aircraft is inside the ILS outer marker (OM) or the fix used in lieu of the OM unless the arriving aircraft has reported the runway in sight or is circling to land on another runway.

This is a controller's responsibility and not the pilot's.​

 

[asayankee]

Lighten up Francis

OK...so if ATC tells you to taxi somplace on the airport and you take it upon yourself to stop somewhere because you think that they might want you to...maybe you gum something else up. Do you make it a habit of routinely violating clearances??? Perhaps the next time a controller tells me to descend to 10,000 feet I'll just stop at 11,000.....well because I think he might want that.

Do what you're told....this job is not that hard!

 

[jegermeister]

OK...so if ATC tells you to taxi somplace on the airport and you take it upon yourself to stop somewhere because you think that they might want you to...maybe you gum something else up. Do you make it a habit of routinely violating clearances??? Perhaps the next time a controller tells me to descend to 10,000 feet I'll just stop at 11,000.....well because I think he might want that.

Do what you're told....this job is not that hard!

Are you drunk?