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jehtplane said:
It is all on ATC, you do not have to ask, you are only required to hold short when instructed by ATC. If ATC says nothing then continue on. Do not waste your breathe asking ATC. Save the radio space. The 800-2 is a guide for when ATC may issue A hold short of the critical area. Some of you need a refresher course, its all ball bearings and PFM......
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You're right about it being on ATC. But it's kinda like blowing through the localizer when getting vectored for an ILS. Yes it's on them, but you could save everyone some grief by just asking. I think the guy shooting the approach would thank you too.
 
flyboyike said:
As was I. Operationally, I don't see why I should care what the minimums are, if they tell me to hold short of the ILS hold line, I'll do it, even if it's clear and a million.
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until you are at an uncontrolled field.
 
SSDD said:
Really? You've never taxied out before the tower opens? Or landed after they close?
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Nope, not yet. Guess I'm just lucky. Closest I came was at GSP a few weeks back. We landed at about 23:47, the tower had 13 minutes left.
 
N1VIBS said:
Assume you're not at ASA, otherwise you would have been to airports like GTR, BQK or a few others I can't think of at the moment.
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You assume correctly.
 
flyboyike said:
Which is yet to happen to me while flying an airliner.
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You need to get out more there son. Push aside the Sam Adam's and try a Sierra Nevada.

KACV served by Seattle center see's a lot of traffic and is an uncontrolled field. I went missed during approach call outs (calm,1800rvr,vv100) when the LOC started going full scale left and right like a single mom swinging on a brass pole. This was when there were Horizon, SkyWest, and pt 135 AC on the ground talking to Center. Second time around when we hit the tops and it started dancing again, I asked the FO to call down on CTAF to make sure everyone was clear but got no response so we diverted through real crappy WX dodging cells on the radar catching small hail several times. One of my "great over an ale" stories

First one is on me Ike :)
 
FlySacto said:
You need to get out more there son. Push aside the Sam Adam's and try a Sierra Nevada.
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Actually, I prefer Pilsner Urquell, Warsteiner Dunkel or DAB Traditional And yes, I'll happily let you buy the first round.
 
Stifler...
Thanks for the PM (2 additional pilots emailed me with this exact question in the last couple of days, now I know why)!
We (ATC) must protect the ILS Critical area when the weather is less than 800/2. Now in the case of your specific question about using B-V at ATL after landing Rwy 8L, that critical area you are seeing depiected along B is for the glideslope for 8R, so its not an issue (so long as we're not landing the inboard) for you to continue without worry on the B-V routing.
Having said that, if a controller neglects to hold you short of a critical area to a runway that you know is in use with arrivals, and the weather is less than 800/2, it would be prudent for you guys and gals (as pilots) to ask the question before encroaching the area. The guy out there on the final just might be one of your buddies and dirsuption of the signal in IMC would require they execute a missed apporach. It other words, controllers are only human. We do make mistakes. This is supposed to be a team endeavor, so any help you can provide is apprecaited (might not always sound like it - but it is)!
Hope that answers your question!
 
What the fyck? ********************ing I'm a ********************ing noob, but how does this thread argue this simple point?


When:
  • 800 & 2....
  • Noted on the ATIS...
  • Instructed by ATC
  • In doubt....

anything less than that and you're just a dumbass, plain and simple
 
Metro752 said:
What the fyck? ********************ing I'm a ********************ing noob, but how does this thread argue this simple point?


When:
  • 800 & 2....
  • Noted on the ATIS...
  • Instructed by ATC
  • In doubt....
anything less than that and you're just a dumbass, plain and simple
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Lighten up Francis
 
Every other leg into an uncontrolled airport for me and while I have yet to have an issue with reception there is a lack of understanding of the requirement to hold short of the ILS hold line as I have popped out down low a few times to find an aircraft inside the protected area. Fortunately for us usually small GA aircraft that did not affect our approach.
 
What the fyck? ********************ing I'm a ********************ing noob, but how does this thread argue this simple point?


When:
  • 800 & 2....
  • Noted on the ATIS...
  • Instructed by ATC
  • In doubt....
anything less than that and you're just a dumbass, plain and simple
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Actually you are incorrect. It is 800 OR 2, not 800 AND 2.
 
if it makes you feel better, AND/OR

you can see a ******************** ton with a 800 foot ceiling, and 10 miles vis.......



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