ILS Critical Area Hold Line

[jegermeister]

I think that if they need you to hold than they will tell you.

If the ATIS is calling wx at or below 800/2 listen to ground for bit and you'll generally know ahead of time what they want you to do. If you're not sure, ask. Many of the larger airports have towers that have an obscured view of the end of the runway with low ceiling/vis. and may not see your position before it's a problem. ATL rwy 28/10 comes to mind (granted they have ground radar).

 

[asayankee]

Also, part of the criteria for doing Cat II's is that the controllers ensure that all of the Cat II critical areas are protected....again it's on them.

 

[jehtplane]

Also, part of the criteria for doing Cat II's is that the controllers ensure that all of the Cat II critical areas are protected....again it's on them.

It is all on ATC, you do not have to ask, you are only required to hold short when instructed by ATC. If ATC says nothing then continue on. Do not waste your breathe asking ATC. Save the radio space. The 800-2 is a guide for when ATC may issue A hold short of the critical area. Some of you need a refresher course, its all ball bearings and PFM......

 

[SSDD]

When the wx is 800/2 or less, hold short. Its better to err on the side of caution. Its like crossing a runway, you want to be sure you have clearance before you cross.

That's my 2 cents...

 

[N1VIBS]

Andy and Veneratio,

Good stuff, thanks for the info.

Take a look at ATL's diagram.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/ATL_-_FAA_airport_diagram.png

You land on 8L like we were today doing CAT 2 approaches. you are told to join Bravo westbound to Victor. Along the way there is an ILS Hold Short sign. Do you keep going???? There's one at B1 and one at B2.

According to Veneratio's article, it looks like as a landing aircraft, you are not required to hold???

I think (not 100% sure) the ILS hold line for 8L is the one on taxiway Alpha. The one on Bravo is in the very rare event they are using 8R. One thing that is a little unusual, is there are two ILS Hold lines on Bravo. Never seen that before and have no idea why there would be two. Any ideas?

 

[jegermeister]

It is all on ATC, you do not have to ask, you are only required to hold short when instructed by ATC. If ATC says nothing then continue on. Do not waste your breathe asking ATC. Save the radio space. The 800-2 is a guide for when ATC may issue A hold short of the critical area. Some of you need a refresher course, its all ball bearings and PFM......

You're right about it being on ATC. But it's kinda like blowing through the localizer when getting vectored for an ILS. Yes it's on them, but you could save everyone some grief by just asking. I think the guy shooting the approach would thank you too.

 

[jws717]

As was I. Operationally, I don't see why I should care what the minimums are, if they tell me to hold short of the ILS hold line, I'll do it, even if it's clear and a million.

until you are at an uncontrolled field.

 

[flyboyike]

until you are at an uncontrolled field.

Which is yet to happen to me while flying an airliner.

 

[SSDD]

Which is yet to happen to me while flying an airliner.

Really? You've never taxied out before the tower opens? Or landed after they close?

 

[N1VIBS]

Which is yet to happen to me while flying an airliner.

Assume you're not at ASA, otherwise you would have been to airports like GTR, BQK or a few others I can't think of at the moment.

 

[flyboyike]

Really? You've never taxied out before the tower opens? Or landed after they close?

Nope, not yet. Guess I'm just lucky. Closest I came was at GSP a few weeks back. We landed at about 23:47, the tower had 13 minutes left.

 

[flyboyike]

Assume you're not at ASA, otherwise you would have been to airports like GTR, BQK or a few others I can't think of at the moment.

You assume correctly.

 

[FlySacto]

Which is yet to happen to me while flying an airliner.

You need to get out more there son. Push aside the Sam Adam's and try a Sierra Nevada.

KACV served by Seattle center see's a lot of traffic and is an uncontrolled field. I went missed during approach call outs (calm,1800rvr,vv100) when the LOC started going full scale left and right like a single mom swinging on a brass pole. This was when there were Horizon, SkyWest, and pt 135 AC on the ground talking to Center. Second time around when we hit the tops and it started dancing again, I asked the FO to call down on CTAF to make sure everyone was clear but got no response so we diverted through real crappy WX dodging cells on the radar catching small hail several times. One of my "great over an ale" stories

First one is on me Ike

 

[Stifler's Mom]

When in doubt, set the parking brake, call Ops and have them send "mini-tug" out for you.

 

[flyboyike]

You need to get out more there son. Push aside the Sam Adam's and try a Sierra Nevada.

Actually, I prefer Pilsner Urquell, Warsteiner Dunkel or DAB Traditional And yes, I'll happily let you buy the first round.