If Delta were to hire...

[OCP]

What would their junior base be under the combined list?

 

[General Lee]

What would their junior base be under the combined list?

They don't usually have a particular base when starting a class, rather they have a bunch of positions at different bases, and if you are senior in the class you can choose. If I had to guess at which planes and bases were MOST junior, then I would say DTW DC9 (I think MSP DC9 will be moved to DTW and filled in with MD90s at MSP), and NYC MD88. But, as I stated in the past there have been openings from all over the place, including SLC 767 FO, ATL 767FO, 73N (700/800) in LAX, etc. It just depends on what is not filled during the normal bidding process (AEs--Advanced Entitlements). NYC 767ER (INTL) went junior during the last big hiring wave because not many wanted to be on reserve and commute to NYC. In the classes, you are ranked by the last 4 digits of your SOC, and the highest is most senior---9999 being more senior than 0001. It is not done by age.

I hope DL does hire sometime this year, but oil rising doesn't help the situation. Good luck!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[OCP]

One of your 777 guys on my jumpseat said that DL is pulling "all" of the airplanes that they parked and getting them ready to fly. Anything?

 

[General Lee]

One of your 777 guys on my jumpseat said that DL is pulling "all" of the airplanes that they parked and getting them ready to fly. Anything?

I have heard that too. They are bringing some 757s out from the desert. I think DL had 16 757s and maybe 6 767-300DOM there. Some of the 757s are ex NWA planes that can't have winglets installed, but would be placed on high density domestic stuff. Right now DL can "grow" by just bringing back planes that are currently parked. But, I know they are watching oil prices, and if it goes a lot higher they might stop bringing them out.

I think the new planes DL is getting this year consist of 2 new 777LRs, and maybe 20 MD90s. The MD90s (from China and Japan maybe) will mainly replace a bunch of DC9s (30s/40s) that will be parked after the Summer. I believe DL will keep 38 DC9-50s for a few more years, and I think they will all eventually be based in DTW, whereas the MD90s will be in MSP.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Lucky Strike]

I believe DL will keep 38 DC9-50s for a few more years, and I think they will all eventually be based in DTW, whereas the MD90s will be in MSP.

What...no more -9's in MEM?!?!?!?

 

[michael707767]

I believe DL will keep 38 DC9-50s for a few more years, and I think they will all eventually be based in DTW, whereas the MD90s will be in MSP.

What...no more -9's in MEM?!?!?!?

You think there will be a MEM base?

 

[100/hour/5y]

I would leave CAL!

CAL SUCKS!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Lee;
There are four 767-300ER's there too. Yep they are pulling them out and the 5500 block 757's that were slated to leave are coming out too! Summer will be busy.

To answer the question of where:
They will post a Bid prior to hiring. After that bid closes they will know where the holes are and will then fill them in the order the see fit. Generally they will cover what needs bodies quickest first.

I would expect a few months of recalls and flows before off the street. That said, it does not hurt to get your stuff in and update it.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Oh yeah, many more MD-90's are coming so overall the fleet will not shrink.

 

[doublepsych]

I would expect a few months of recalls and flows before off the street. That said, it does not hurt to get your stuff in and update it.

Any best guess as to when there may be room for some recalls and flows?

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

There is also a rumor about at Guam base. Probably not immediately but 2-4 years away (if it doesn't sink).

New hires can end up there....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

GUM needs a five year commitment from marketing to open. If Marketing will not give that, then it will be a TDY event.

Hiring is basically become a foregone conclusion. I would expect to see recalls and flows as early as late summer to as late as early next year. Oil goes up it will be later. If you wan to return, send your intentions to flt ops.

 

[Whine Lover]

Oil today at $87 / barrel (again).....$4.00/ gal at the pump expected within the next few months (again).

Good Luck.

YKW

 

[Linedriver]

You think there will be a MEM base?

Delta SHOULD keep Memphis to relieve some of the congestion in Atlanta. Who knows what they will do - I sure don't.

 

[nwaf16dude]

The management spin on Memphis continues to sound positive...at least better than CVG, which isn't saying much. That being said, if they pull the 9's out without replacing them with something other than RJ's then I think we'll have our answer on the future of MEM. ACL, what are you hearing?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I think that there may be another city better served than MEM for that type of hub. That said, anything is possible and they are not painting themselves in a corner. RJ expansion the the last move in the HUB playbook for DAL though.

 

[twobits]

funny stuff.... if Delta were to hire, haha. Nobody pays attention to history - it always repeats itself! The 747-200's just left, the DC-9's are leaving... ALL of them by the end of next year (unconfirmed, but highly likely) - I mean, you can't just take that many pilots off of one airplane and train them. Some of these planes will be replaced by other types (RJ's). A hub will virtually close, another hub might completely close. Oil goes higher, management will use that to reduce flying frequencies and press DALPA for more bigger RJ's. SOS, think about it. ACL also said that JAL was a done deal, so how much does he know? Mgt. thinks pilots are stupid, they will never tell us the truth.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Two, those were the words used, then everyone got really quite. I would say that you will see something in regards to JAL in the next two years.

As for the DC-9 They will park all of em if they can find MD-90's to replace em. Duh. Simple fact is that if oil goes north of 130 you are correct, they will be parked. They are a throw away jet.

As for more RJ's sure with mainline pilots in them.

 

[maxcackel]

Two, those were the words used, then everyone got really quite. I would say that you will see something in regards to JAL in the next two years.

As for the DC-9 They will park all of em if they can find MD-90's to replace em. Duh. Simple fact is that if oil goes north of 130 you are correct, they will be parked. They are a throw away jet.

As for more RJ's sure with mainline pilots in them.

Please make that happen!! Is there talk over there to bring domestic flying back to that side of the house? It would be nice to see the 90 seat and up regional planes with mainline pilots in them. If scope is relaxed anymore the system will be broken forever.

 

[FBN0223]

As for more RJ's sure with mainline pilots in them.

Remains to be seen. The trend has been the exact opposite. Delta will want more scope relief and WILL provide some grand incentives to see their plans comes to fruition. How will they do this? Money. You can expect to see Delta's opener to include all 100 seat flying with pay increases, more vacation, improvements to retirement, and so on.

Scope is an issue for all, but not the number one issue for many as it is for those of on the bottom half of the seniority list.