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[Amish RakeFight]

Yeah, first time I had seen it. Sorry to dredge up old stuff.

Oh, that's okay. We need fodder to kick around and put people down with around here.

It was very F.I. welcomed!

 

[TWA]

Looks like he was having a pretty good time to me. He probably could of done without video taping it, but it didn't look like he was really stressing the airframe. Now if it was a couple guys in a Lear 35, working for a part 135 company based in Columbus, attempting to do a roll, that would be a good video to bitch about (man I would of loved to see a video of that).

 

[Captain Morgan]

Hey, I understand what you're all saying. I don't want my wife and daughter to be beneath his arial stunt pattern. Tell you what, deal; no populated areas and his own aircraft would have been a better idea. Just to point out, I am sure I didn't see a G meter so how can you tell if he stressed the airframe. Additionally, did you see an altimeter. Can you judge height well enough to say that's above or below the correct altitude, especially considering it's a poor resolution YouTube video. Let's remember this isn't a transport cat. aircraft and I'm not sure if you can do aerobatics in a 210. I know a 172 if you move the cg enough it's approved for spins and such. Even further, how do you know it's not his own plane. The paint job may be FLX's but the old 310's I used to fly at Airnet are now sold and anyone can buy an old freight sight unseen and not have to repaint it. Dang, I should've been a lawyer instead of a pilot.

 

[stupidpilot]

It appears to me he turned well below 400' agl, which last I knew didn't assure you obstacle clearance.

 

[Boris Badenov]

I am sure I didn't see a G meter so how can you tell if he stressed the airframe.

Yeah, no FMS either. How can we even be sure he got to his destination? I guess you're just going to have to take the word of someone who has more time in an FLX 210 than he'd like to. All of the "extreme" (which is an EXTREMELY strong word for some pretty tame stuff) maneuvers were done at low speed. I'd be shocked if he reached 2Gs at any point.

Let's remember this isn't a transport cat. aircraft and I'm not sure if you can do aerobatics in a 210.

Are you seriously suggesting that a transport category aircraft would be a BETTER ride to screw around in? And no, you certainly can't do even halfassed good-ole-boy aerobatics in a 210 UNDER 135! I don't think anyone is making the case that some FARs weren't violated.

The paint job may be FLX's but the old 310's I used to fly at Airnet are now sold and anyone can buy an old freight sight unseen and not have to repaint it.

Heh. To the best of my knowledge the only FLX 210s that get out of the game do so by crashing. In any case, if you read the old thread, it was pretty much established that the guy was flying an FLX airplane...probably under 135 when filming this stuff.

On the advice of my attorney, I won't comment about things I might or might not have done when flying at FLX, but the the point is that at FLX (or any other 135 single pilot gig), the peccant part is the guy flying the thing. The larger point remains that if you feel obligated (for whatever reason) to do something illegal or frowned upon, don't f'ing film it and put it on the internet, dummy.

And to be clear, before the innuendo starts, FLX is crystal clear about how they view these sorts of excursions. There is no "cowboy atmosphere". The rules are taught and expected to be followed by adults. If some of us fail to always be as adult as we ought to be, it's not on them.

 

[Captain Morgan]

"Are you seriously suggesting that a transport category aircraft would be a BETTER ride to screw around in? And no, you certainly can't do even halfassed good-ole-boy aerobatics in a 210 UNDER 135! I don't think anyone is making the case that some FARs weren't violated."

No, what I'm saying is, he wasn't in a transport cat. aircraft, so that's good. Also, could he have been part 91 empty?

"The larger point remains that if you feel obligated (for whatever reason) to do something illegal or frowned upon, don't f'ing film it and put it on the internet, dummy."

Agreed.

CM

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Of course the pilot knows he breaking far's and operating dangerously. Why else would he hide his identity by blurring himself out in the video.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Also, could he have been part 91 empty?

Extraordinarily unlikely. There's at least one clip where he's obviously flying out of Tampa, and the fact that the wings don't have TKS panels or boots suggests that he's in Florida. The times I flew in Florida without some kind of cargo on board I can count on two fingers.

Of course the pilot knows he breaking far's and operating dangerously. Why else would he hide his identity by blurring himself out in the video.

^ Yeah.

I'm only responding further because I have a great deal of appreciation for FLX. It was a good place to work, and I was treated (sometimes more than) fairly. I had a great time, met some great people, and the sort of things you're seeing here could and probably do happen at any single pilot 135 outfit. What you think or how you feel about that is your own business, but the "reputation" FLX has somehow garnered (in part because of this fool and his camera) is not earned. The training, the expectations, and the management were never anything less than professional.

 

[30West]

compared to the thunderstorms these things fly through all the time..

.....You aren't expected to do anything stupid,

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So this guy in the video is trying to impress the world by doing aerobatics in a normal category aircraft.
Whoop de doo. Anyone here impressed? Only thing he left out was the jumpsuit and the Top Gun music. But he certainly made it clear what kind of "professional" pilot he is. And now he's an RJ captain. What's he going to do to try to impress people in his RJ?
Oh I forgot.....we already know the ending to that one don't we?

 

[Boris Badenov]

You fly freight, you're going to wind up flying through some thunderstorms, particularly if your ride does 150 in cruise. It's only stupid if you don't know what you're doing or push yourself beyond what you know is safe because someone told you you should. That never happened at FLX. I'm going to hazard a guess that you haven't done piston 135?

And no, I don't think anyone is particularly impressed. Certainly I'm not.

 

[30West]

It's only stupid if you don't know what you're doing

Never flew freight piston, only 121. Never penetrated a thunderstorm. Been handed my ass plenty threading between and around them though. Last time I checked there isn't a "safe" way to penetrate thunderstorms regularly. What am I missing?
I've not heard of an airplane where intentional wx penetration is recommended or approved.
Nobody needs thier urine samples or cancelled checks bad enough to risk my life for.

I haven't worked for FLX so perhaps they don't expect you to launch into a line of wx for the sake of a buck. I know guys that have flown at other outfits that have been told "go or we'll find someone who will". I do know that in the airline world I've had dispatch try to trick me into doing it. The answer was always the same- Not right now.

Getting back to the original video, assuming this guy knows how to do a proper barrel roll in a normal category aircraft, I can guarantee there are 2 or 3 guys before him that didn't know what they were doing and dished out at the top of the roll and pulled a bunch of G's in the process of screwing up the recovery.

 

[MD11Drvr]

I flew pistons and lears at a few different operators in the S.E. and with all the weather that had to be dealt with in normal week this kind of flying is just stupid. I am not saying that stupid does'nt happen out there but when I had my own instrument failures and came to realize all that kind of abuse to the airplanes and the instruments could potentially hurt someone it caused me to reconsider my flying. My advice to young guy starting out is go rent an aerobatic airplane and cage the gyro and then just wring it out. A violation for stupid crap will possibly kill a career before it starts. And with some of these operators save your chances of a violation because you can walk into one very easily so there no reason to chase one.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Never flew freight piston, only 121. Never penetrated a thunderstorm. Been handed my ass plenty threading between and around them though. Last time I checked there isn't a "safe" way to penetrate thunderstorms regularly. What am I missing?

Well, probably nothing. I'm certainly not suggesting that one ought to go boring holes in thunderstorms for the fun of it (although I've met guys who do). OTOH, "thunderstorms" seem like they become a more amorphous subject every year. Used to be controllers would say "There is a level 5 in front of you". Now they say "Well, my radar shows extreme precipitation your 9:30 to 2:30 for 500 miles". If your ride tops out at 10k and goes 150 knots, things are never going to get where they're going if you don't at least go see what's out there (using what good sense the Lord provided you). Inevitably, though, in 'going and seeing' sometimes you wind up places you'd rather not be. Suffice it to say that I've been in weather in an FLX 210 that makes me not worry a whole lot about some guy pulling 2G for half a second. It's not because flying piston freight makes you "better" or even "tougher", it's just in the game.

I haven't worked for FLX so perhaps they don't expect you to launch into a line of wx for the sake of a buck. I know guys that have flown at other outfits that have been told "go or we'll find someone who will".

Everyone has heard those stories. I've had the fortune never to work for one of those companies. It certainly never happened at FLX, not even close. I suspect that such things are largely relics of a bygone era. I've delayed a number of times for bad weather and never heard a word about it. OTOH, you can't be just a VFR pilot every day in that equipment.

I am not saying that stupid does'nt happen out there but when I had my own instrument failures and came to realize all that kind of abuse to the airplanes and the instruments could potentially hurt someone it caused me to reconsider my flying.

Agree entirely. Stupid, juvenile stunting. That doesn't mean, however, that it's endemic to the company or market segment, or that the wings are going to fall off tomorrow because this kid got slightly frisky.

 

[Captain Morgan]

Didn't Scott Crossfield buy the farm in Georgia flying his 210 through a thunderstorm. Scott Crossfield RIP.

CM

 

[pipejockey]

I guess a pilot can't have fun anymore on the job. It's not like anyone else was in the plane with him. Like someone else said, the video was time compressed making it appear more abrupt than it was. And shame on the so called moderator who deleted my last post. Why don't you get a life and get off of YOUR high horse. This board is here to post opinion and thats what I did.

 

[Way2Broke]

I guess a pilot can't have fun anymore on the job. It's not like anyone else was in the plane with him. Like someone else said, the video was time compressed making it appear more abrupt than it was. And shame on the so called moderator who deleted my last post. Why don't you get a life and get off of YOUR high horse. This board is here to post opinion and thats what I did.

No posts have been removed from this thread by any moderator.

 

[skyward80]

You never know who's watching...

I knew a guy who was demo'ing how aerobatic our flight school's C172RG was while out in the practice area. Boy was he surprised when an FAA DE walked up to him after the flight. The DE was out in the same practice area with another one of our school's aircraft and saw the whole thing. He got canned pretty much on the spot.

Flying an airplane takes a lot of maturity and professionalism which means flying IAW applicable regulations at all times (even when your boss isn't watching).

Skyward80

 

[dickburns]

nice to see someone who really knows how to fly an airplane...unlike most of the RJ drivers out there these days.


I'd hire him at my company any day of the week.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

nice to see someone who really knows how to fly an airplane...unlike most of the RJ drivers out there these days.


I'd hire him at my company any day of the week.

LOL. You really think he displayed superior skills in his aerial repertoire?

I would hope most pilots are comfortable and capable enough to handle and perform that way competently, if needed. Especially if you're being paid a dollar to fly.

...but then again, I guess your quote would make sense!

 

[belchfire]

Wow...though the only time I was sure he was too close to a building was during TO and Ldg, there was surely no adhearance to a standard traffic pattern...

The most grevious thing I saw was the cloud clearance stuff and for those of you that may suffer the dillusion the rolls were done in the 210 you need to look again. It was perhaps a 172 and more likely a 152-perhaps even an Aerobat which would have made the manuever legal except for the cloud clearance.

While erratic the landing pattern stuff was close in simulated engine out power off landing type flying. Except for the evening shot where he took off from one runway and landed on a crossing runway-where in a show of really crappy airmanship he completely blew through the centerline at first.

For those that doubt me, go watch again. The shots that were in the 210 have a teltail GS reciver ANT at the top of the windscreen and no hump on the glareshield. What I think was shot from perhaps an Aerobat has the telltail hump in the middle of the glareshield and no ANT up against the windscreen ahead of the whisky compass.

Fair editing, but not anywhere near good enough if even I caught the A/C swaps...and the choice of music (while perhaps less obnoxious than rap or hip hop) was tasteless.

Regardless, dumb fracking stunt to put it on youtube!