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[30West]

It's only stupid if you don't know what you're doing

Never flew freight piston, only 121. Never penetrated a thunderstorm. Been handed my ass plenty threading between and around them though. Last time I checked there isn't a "safe" way to penetrate thunderstorms regularly. What am I missing?
I've not heard of an airplane where intentional wx penetration is recommended or approved.
Nobody needs thier urine samples or cancelled checks bad enough to risk my life for.

I haven't worked for FLX so perhaps they don't expect you to launch into a line of wx for the sake of a buck. I know guys that have flown at other outfits that have been told "go or we'll find someone who will". I do know that in the airline world I've had dispatch try to trick me into doing it. The answer was always the same- Not right now.

Getting back to the original video, assuming this guy knows how to do a proper barrel roll in a normal category aircraft, I can guarantee there are 2 or 3 guys before him that didn't know what they were doing and dished out at the top of the roll and pulled a bunch of G's in the process of screwing up the recovery.

 

[MD11Drvr]

I flew pistons and lears at a few different operators in the S.E. and with all the weather that had to be dealt with in normal week this kind of flying is just stupid. I am not saying that stupid does'nt happen out there but when I had my own instrument failures and came to realize all that kind of abuse to the airplanes and the instruments could potentially hurt someone it caused me to reconsider my flying. My advice to young guy starting out is go rent an aerobatic airplane and cage the gyro and then just wring it out. A violation for stupid crap will possibly kill a career before it starts. And with some of these operators save your chances of a violation because you can walk into one very easily so there no reason to chase one.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Never flew freight piston, only 121. Never penetrated a thunderstorm. Been handed my ass plenty threading between and around them though. Last time I checked there isn't a "safe" way to penetrate thunderstorms regularly. What am I missing?

Well, probably nothing. I'm certainly not suggesting that one ought to go boring holes in thunderstorms for the fun of it (although I've met guys who do). OTOH, "thunderstorms" seem like they become a more amorphous subject every year. Used to be controllers would say "There is a level 5 in front of you". Now they say "Well, my radar shows extreme precipitation your 9:30 to 2:30 for 500 miles". If your ride tops out at 10k and goes 150 knots, things are never going to get where they're going if you don't at least go see what's out there (using what good sense the Lord provided you). Inevitably, though, in 'going and seeing' sometimes you wind up places you'd rather not be. Suffice it to say that I've been in weather in an FLX 210 that makes me not worry a whole lot about some guy pulling 2G for half a second. It's not because flying piston freight makes you "better" or even "tougher", it's just in the game.

I haven't worked for FLX so perhaps they don't expect you to launch into a line of wx for the sake of a buck. I know guys that have flown at other outfits that have been told "go or we'll find someone who will".

Everyone has heard those stories. I've had the fortune never to work for one of those companies. It certainly never happened at FLX, not even close. I suspect that such things are largely relics of a bygone era. I've delayed a number of times for bad weather and never heard a word about it. OTOH, you can't be just a VFR pilot every day in that equipment.

I am not saying that stupid does'nt happen out there but when I had my own instrument failures and came to realize all that kind of abuse to the airplanes and the instruments could potentially hurt someone it caused me to reconsider my flying.

Agree entirely. Stupid, juvenile stunting. That doesn't mean, however, that it's endemic to the company or market segment, or that the wings are going to fall off tomorrow because this kid got slightly frisky.

 

[Captain Morgan]

Didn't Scott Crossfield buy the farm in Georgia flying his 210 through a thunderstorm. Scott Crossfield RIP.

CM

 

[pipejockey]

I guess a pilot can't have fun anymore on the job. It's not like anyone else was in the plane with him. Like someone else said, the video was time compressed making it appear more abrupt than it was. And shame on the so called moderator who deleted my last post. Why don't you get a life and get off of YOUR high horse. This board is here to post opinion and thats what I did.

 

[Way2Broke]

I guess a pilot can't have fun anymore on the job. It's not like anyone else was in the plane with him. Like someone else said, the video was time compressed making it appear more abrupt than it was. And shame on the so called moderator who deleted my last post. Why don't you get a life and get off of YOUR high horse. This board is here to post opinion and thats what I did.

No posts have been removed from this thread by any moderator.

 

[skyward80]

You never know who's watching...

I knew a guy who was demo'ing how aerobatic our flight school's C172RG was while out in the practice area. Boy was he surprised when an FAA DE walked up to him after the flight. The DE was out in the same practice area with another one of our school's aircraft and saw the whole thing. He got canned pretty much on the spot.

Flying an airplane takes a lot of maturity and professionalism which means flying IAW applicable regulations at all times (even when your boss isn't watching).

Skyward80

 

[dickburns]

nice to see someone who really knows how to fly an airplane...unlike most of the RJ drivers out there these days.


I'd hire him at my company any day of the week.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

nice to see someone who really knows how to fly an airplane...unlike most of the RJ drivers out there these days.


I'd hire him at my company any day of the week.

LOL. You really think he displayed superior skills in his aerial repertoire?

I would hope most pilots are comfortable and capable enough to handle and perform that way competently, if needed. Especially if you're being paid a dollar to fly.

...but then again, I guess your quote would make sense!

 

[belchfire]

Wow...though the only time I was sure he was too close to a building was during TO and Ldg, there was surely no adhearance to a standard traffic pattern...

The most grevious thing I saw was the cloud clearance stuff and for those of you that may suffer the dillusion the rolls were done in the 210 you need to look again. It was perhaps a 172 and more likely a 152-perhaps even an Aerobat which would have made the manuever legal except for the cloud clearance.

While erratic the landing pattern stuff was close in simulated engine out power off landing type flying. Except for the evening shot where he took off from one runway and landed on a crossing runway-where in a show of really crappy airmanship he completely blew through the centerline at first.

For those that doubt me, go watch again. The shots that were in the 210 have a teltail GS reciver ANT at the top of the windscreen and no hump on the glareshield. What I think was shot from perhaps an Aerobat has the telltail hump in the middle of the glareshield and no ANT up against the windscreen ahead of the whisky compass.

Fair editing, but not anywhere near good enough if even I caught the A/C swaps...and the choice of music (while perhaps less obnoxious than rap or hip hop) was tasteless.

Regardless, dumb fracking stunt to put it on youtube!

 

[dbrault17]

The most grevious thing I saw was the cloud clearance stuff and for those of you that may suffer the dillusion the rolls were done in the 210 you need to look again. It was perhaps a 172 and more likely a 152-
For those that doubt me, go watch again. The shots that were in the 210 have a teltail GS reciver ANT at the top of the windscreen and no hump on the glareshield. What I think was shot from perhaps an Aerobat has the telltail hump in the middle of the glareshield and no ANT up against the windscreen ahead of the whisky compass.

No-im pretty sure the rolls were all in a 210.

Flight Express has maybe 50(?) 210s and no two of theme were alike. Look closly and you can see the manifold, oil, and temp tri-plex gauges. Trust me he rolling 210s.

Watching this really makes me sad........I want to go back to Flight Express! It really was the coolest, funnest flying I have done yet.

 

[Boris Badenov]

The shots that were in the 210 have a teltail GS reciver ANT at the top of the windscreen and no hump on the glareshield.

Gotta agree with dbrault on this one, much though it pains me to agree with dbrault. The older 210s have the hump, newer ones don't.

 

[avoidingmyboss]

Well now he's someone unlike the rest of us.

The real question is was he on time? If he was don't worry about it.

Every day is like ground hog day. SSDD

 

[eyeamthechosen1]

stupid but a lot of B@LLs

 

[YODA]

Too bad the EA or AC was not on the ramp in TPA to see those "standard" departures! It does not matter what this guys stick and rudder skills are, decision making and an unsafe macho attitude balance it out. I flew for FLX for three years, 2001-2004, lost two fellow freight dog friends in that time (worked for different companies). I guess I just have a different respect for the job and safety than the person in this example.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Too bad the EA or AC was not on the ramp in TPA to see those "standard" departures!

Precisely. Whether harmless or horrible, this sort of behavior is not going to be tolerated by the likes of The Norweigian Hammer or The Guy Who Can Quote 135 Verbatim And Gives You Your (not merely formalities) Checkrides. It's a tempest in a teapot. A lot of dudes do things they shouldn't do in airplanes that don't belong to them. This guy just happened to be dumb enough to film it.

 

[dbrault17]

Gotta agree with dbrault on this one, much though it pains me to agree with dbrault.

You should do so more often. Youd be right more often.

Howve you been Matt? Still living the dream here but im waking up. Im stuck in Laredo (since thurs) and I missed out on the weekend parties back home (the one weekend my friends have girl on girl wanting me to join but nope, im in south texas paying 15 dollars for hotel porn ). Im only a month away from my students loans coming out of deferment and Im stuck driving around an 89 crown vic-not cool.

On a good note though Im on a trip with the coolest salty ol' freight dog captain out there. Stories of drug running and whores are endless from this guy.

 

[Doug Parker]

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Monotony and Boredom are dangerous things....................




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[belchfire]

No-im pretty sure the rolls were all in a 210.

Flight Express has maybe 50(?) 210s and no two of theme were alike. Look closly and you can see the manifold, oil, and temp tri-plex gauges. Trust me he rolling 210s.

Watching this really makes me sad........I want to go back to Flight Express! It really was the coolest, funnest flying I have done yet.

Yeah, okay off to the right of the radio stack-it's been awhile, thought it was MP and FF in one and Oil temp, Oil Prx and CHT in another...of course the fleets I've delt with weren't exactly standard after they got their second airplane either!

I did some time in the 206, 207 and 210 and while I liked the 210 alot the 206 remains my fave.

 

[PilotChapin]

Sorry if this has been posted before, but he makes Flight Express guys look bad. Please tell me he was violated and fired.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=2135452

Why you being such a little bit*h? Grow some genitals dude

 

[transpac]

This guy is an idiot! Anyone who thinks this type of flying is impressive is mighty easily impressed. Plus, his barrel rolls sucked. This guy's actions is much the same as a teenager who hotrods his mother's station wagon to impress his pimply faced friends.

 

[Dr Pokenhiemer]

FLX had one inflight breakup of a 210 back in 2002 or 2003. I also had a friend from flight school that hit an 1800 foot tv tower while flying at 1500msl. He was with RAM AIR. He was 10 miles from his home--think he was flying over his house, but not sure. Rest in Peace David. The only thing this guy in the video proved is that he is an absolute ID 10 Tango. Why would you even condiser doing this in 1) a company plane, 2) a plane with over 10,000 hours on it?

 

[chignutsak]

Why you being such a little bit*h? Grow some genitals dude

Got genitals, thanks for asking. And you know what? They won't be at the bottom of some smoking hole, or suspended in a carpet dance in the chief's office, all because I wanted to impress other brain dead morons.

 

[stupidpilot]

It seems pilots nowadays need to get in touch with their roots. I think most have no idea what a dare devilish profession an aviator's used to be. This guy/girl is nothing more than a throw back to the early days of on the road flying shows and barn stormers; unfortunately trapped in today's RJ/SJS/Autopilot/Autothrottle laden world. I think this video is more evidence of this person's stick and rudder skills than a violation. Now let's go crawl behind our bullet-proof cockpit doors and sip our lattes.

If i remember correctly lots of those "barnstormers" died doing crazy stuff. There is a reason safety has improved so greatly over the years. People aren't allowed to do that kind of crap anymore unless you are in an airplane certified for it, and you are doing it in an aerobatic box. He is getting paid to do a job by a company in an airplane that is not his. he is a totally unprofessional idiot who obviously could care less about somebody else's property or safety. He deserves to be in jail!