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IBT 1108 Executive Board Announcement

993_Pilot

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So far so good at FJ! I think I have a better understanding of how y'all operate. I have seen you guys trash everyone that challenges the IBT, make personal attacks on people that don't agree with you, call our mgmt liars, one even made a sexual comment about our president. So if you ask who I believe.... I sure as hell don't believe anything that comes from the IBT or the combative A-holes that represent the IBT on this site. BTW, how's the message board going that was set up?

Search my previous posts, you haven't seen me trash anybody. I won't defend what others have said, I am simply trying to be a voice of reason in the sea of emotions that is Flight Info. Union representation is an important topic, and if you off-handedly dismiss it because of what a few emotional/misguided individuals have said, then you are short-changing yourself. I don't ask that you believe everything I say, but I would strongly suggest that it would be prudent for you google search KR's history and seriously consider what some of us say about our experiences with him, before you make up your mind. We don't support the IBT because they are the perfect solution, we support the IBT because they are the best possible tool we have for countering KR's management style and tactics.
 

Mini Cooper

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This is true...

Search my previous posts, you haven't seen me trash anybody. I won't defend what others have said, I am simply trying to be a voice of reason in the sea of emotions that is Flight Info. Union representation is an important topic, and if you off-handedly dismiss it because of what a few emotional/misguided individuals have said, then you are short-changing yourself. I don't ask that you believe everything I say, but I would strongly suggest that it would be prudent for you google search KR's history and seriously consider what some of us say about our experiences with him, before you make up your mind. We don't support the IBT because they are the perfect solution, we support the IBT because they are the best possible tool we have for countering KR's management style and tactics.
 

ThePilotsFriend

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To all of the hard working employees of Flight Options & FlexJet,

I would like to give each of you something to think about, something for consideration. There is an individual that has been a long time personal friend of KR. This person not only had a close friendship, so he thought, but was also a business partner. As the years past this person always cared for the pilots and employees. This person put out specific email communications on numerous occasions expressing gratitude and thanks to the Flight Option crews. This person always felt an ethical bond between the crews and there family's well being. When KR informed this person of his true business model, which most certainly would harm crew members and there family's, just to give himself more wealth out of egotistical greed, this person expressed his opposition and informed KR that his plan was unethical. After a long friendship and also being business partners KR fired this person without hesitation. It wasn't a yelling match but not to far from it. If KR can do such a thing to someone like this person just think what he will do to you the FlexJet pilot to whom he has no bonds. You, the FlexJet line pilot are at a disadvantage due to not having educated yourself when it comes to what kind of person your now dealing with. Do not be short-sided out of ignorance. Take the time to educate yourself about KR and his previous treatment of employees and his managment philosophy. A creative google search along with reading KR book, ( managment by trust ), should take care of your educational needs. Money is all that matters even over friendship and the ethical treatment of people. This particular person has taken risk to get this information out, he took these risk because of strong ethical convictions. The FlexJet crews and there family's will suffer with the current business model in place. Please don't be foolish and believe for one second that KR will keep you status quo any longer than necessary than needed. The labor is cheaper at Flight Options, you the FlexJet pilots are going to end up without work. KR fully intends to move the flying over to Flight Options. You cannot be more forward than this, this person has looked out for all crew members to the best of his ability, both Flight Options & FlexJet alike. Do yourself and your family a favor, stick together. Flight Options & FlexJet crew members coming together as one solid force is the only way to position yourself to battle corporate greed. My wish is for all crew members to come out unscathed. As crew members it's your only chance of surviving this situation.

I will always be,

The Pilots Friend
 

chief9404

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When you ask anyone from mgt about that "individual" that got let go they will say nothing. They are so afraid they will be next. Fear by intimidation at its best. I also heard that "individual" may be headed to NJA. I wish him the best of luck.
 

el raton

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To all of the hard working employees of Flight Options & FlexJet,

I would like to give each of you something to think about, something for consideration. There is an individual that has been a long time personal friend of KR. This person not only had a close friendship, so he thought, but was also a business partner. As the years past this person always cared for the pilots and employees. This person put out specific email communications on numerous occasions expressing gratitude and thanks to the Flight Option crews. This person always felt an ethical bond between the crews and there family's well being. When KR informed this person of his true business model, which most certainly would harm crew members and there family's, just to give himself more wealth out of egotistical greed, this person expressed his opposition and informed KR that his plan was unethical. After a long friendship and also being business partners KR fired this person without hesitation. It wasn't a yelling match but not to far from it. If KR can do such a thing to someone like this person just think what he will do to you the FlexJet pilot to whom he has no bonds. You, the FlexJet line pilot are at a disadvantage due to not having educated yourself when it comes to what kind of person your now dealing with. Do not be short-sided out of ignorance. Take the time to educate yourself about KR and his previous treatment of employees and his managment philosophy. A creative google search along with reading KR book, ( managment by trust ), should take care of your educational needs. Money is all that matters even over friendship and the ethical treatment of people. This particular person has taken risk to get this information out, he took these risk because of strong ethical convictions. The FlexJet crews and there family's will suffer with the current business model in place. Please don't be foolish and believe for one second that KR will keep you status quo any longer than necessary than needed. The labor is cheaper at Flight Options, you the FlexJet pilots are going to end up without work. KR fully intends to move the flying over to Flight Options. You cannot be more forward than this, this person has looked out for all crew members to the best of his ability, both Flight Options & FlexJet alike. Do yourself and your family a favor, stick together. Flight Options & FlexJet crew members coming together as one solid force is the only way to position yourself to battle corporate greed. My wish is for all crew members to come out unscathed. As crew members it's your only chance of surviving this situation.

I will always be,

The Pilots Friend

Just come out and say your name rather than insinuating you may be that someone while hitting the same IBT talking points and selling more fear.
 

gret

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To all of the hard working employees of Flight Options & FlexJet,

I would like to give each of you something to think about, something for consideration. There is an individual that has been a long time personal friend of KR. This person not only had a close friendship, so he thought, but was also a business partner. As the years past this person always cared for the pilots and employees. This person put out specific email communications on numerous occasions expressing gratitude and thanks to the Flight Option crews. This person always felt an ethical bond between the crews and there family's well being. When KR informed this person of his true business model, which most certainly would harm crew members and there family's, just to give himself more wealth out of egotistical greed, this person expressed his opposition and informed KR that his plan was unethical. After a long friendship and also being business partners KR fired this person without hesitation. It wasn't a yelling match but not to far from it. If KR can do such a thing to someone like this person just think what he will do to you the FlexJet pilot to whom he has no bonds. You, the FlexJet line pilot are at a disadvantage due to not having educated yourself when it comes to what kind of person your now dealing with. Do not be short-sided out of ignorance. Take the time to educate yourself about KR and his previous treatment of employees and his managment philosophy. A creative google search along with reading KR book, ( managment by trust ), should take care of your educational needs. Money is all that matters even over friendship and the ethical treatment of people. This particular person has taken risk to get this information out, he took these risk because of strong ethical convictions. The FlexJet crews and there family's will suffer with the current business model in place. Please don't be foolish and believe for one second that KR will keep you status quo any longer than necessary than needed. The labor is cheaper at Flight Options, you the FlexJet pilots are going to end up without work. KR fully intends to move the flying over to Flight Options. You cannot be more forward than this, this person has looked out for all crew members to the best of his ability, both Flight Options & FlexJet alike. Do yourself and your family a favor, stick together. Flight Options & FlexJet crew members coming together as one solid force is the only way to position yourself to battle corporate greed. My wish is for all crew members to come out unscathed. As crew members it's your only chance of surviving this situation.

I will always be,

The Pilots Friend

Isn't it an FI offense to post the same thing in multiple threads?
 

wingsnthings

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to all of the hard working employees of flight options & flexjet,

i would like to give each of you something to think about, something for consideration. There is an individual that has been a long time personal friend of kr. This person not only had a close friendship, so he thought, but was also a business partner. As the years past this person always cared for the pilots and employees. This person put out specific email communications on numerous occasions expressing gratitude and thanks to the flight option crews. This person always felt an ethical bond between the crews and there family's well being. When kr informed this person of his true business model, which most certainly would harm crew members and there family's, just to give himself more wealth out of egotistical greed, this person expressed his opposition and informed kr that his plan was unethical. After a long friendship and also being business partners kr fired this person without hesitation. It wasn't a yelling match but not to far from it. If kr can do such a thing to someone like this person just think what he will do to you the flexjet pilot to whom he has no bonds. You, the flexjet line pilot are at a disadvantage due to not having educated yourself when it comes to what kind of person your now dealing with. Do not be short-sided out of ignorance. Take the time to educate yourself about kr and his previous treatment of employees and his managment philosophy. A creative google search along with reading kr book, ( managment by trust ), should take care of your educational needs. Money is all that matters even over friendship and the ethical treatment of people. This particular person has taken risk to get this information out, he took these risk because of strong ethical convictions. The flexjet crews and there family's will suffer with the current business model in place. Please don't be foolish and believe for one second that kr will keep you status quo any longer than necessary than needed. The labor is cheaper at flight options, you the flexjet pilots are going to end up without work. Kr fully intends to move the flying over to flight options. You cannot be more forward than this, this person has looked out for all crew members to the best of his ability, both flight options & flexjet alike. Do yourself and your family a favor, stick together. Flight options & flexjet crew members coming together as one solid force is the only way to position yourself to battle corporate greed. My wish is for all crew members to come out unscathed. As crew members it's your only chance of surviving this situation.

I will always be,

the pilots friend

fud!!!!!!
 

Seahawk

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To all of the hard working employees of Flight Options & FlexJet,

I would like to give each of you something to think about, something for consideration. There is an individual that has been a long time personal friend of KR. This person not only had a close friendship, so he thought, but was also a business partner. As the years past this person always cared for the pilots and employees. This person put out specific email communications on numerous occasions expressing gratitude and thanks to the Flight Option crews. This person always felt an ethical bond between the crews and there family's well being. When KR informed this person of his true business model, which most certainly would harm crew members and there family's, just to give himself more wealth out of egotistical greed, this person expressed his opposition and informed KR that his plan was unethical. After a long friendship and also being business partners KR fired this person without hesitation. It wasn't a yelling match but not to far from it. If KR can do such a thing to someone like this person just think what he will do to you the FlexJet pilot to whom he has no bonds. You, the FlexJet line pilot are at a disadvantage due to not having educated yourself when it comes to what kind of person your now dealing with. Do not be short-sided out of ignorance. Take the time to educate yourself about KR and his previous treatment of employees and his managment philosophy. A creative google search along with reading KR book, ( managment by trust ), should take care of your educational needs. Money is all that matters even over friendship and the ethical treatment of people. This particular person has taken risk to get this information out, he took these risk because of strong ethical convictions. The FlexJet crews and there family's will suffer with the current business model in place. Please don't be foolish and believe for one second that KR will keep you status quo any longer than necessary than needed. The labor is cheaper at Flight Options, you the FlexJet pilots are going to end up without work. KR fully intends to move the flying over to Flight Options. You cannot be more forward than this, this person has looked out for all crew members to the best of his ability, both Flight Options & FlexJet alike. Do yourself and your family a favor, stick together. Flight Options & FlexJet crew members coming together as one solid force is the only way to position yourself to battle corporate greed. My wish is for all crew members to come out unscathed. As crew members it's your only chance of surviving this situation.

I will always be,

The Pilots Friend


Twisted Sister rant!
 

GooseHZ

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FUD or Rant no matter what message that convoluted post is trying to get across. You will have NO say in your future at flex/flops without a CBA.
 

luckydog

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FUD or Rant no matter what message that convoluted post is trying to get across. You will have NO say in your future at flex/flops without a CBA.

According to the well placed insider, we will only have a limited say with a CBA as there will only be about half of us left working.

To accomplish his plan, all KR has to do is convince his Flexjet partners to give him their share of the $185M used to purchase the company, easy.

His plan won't fool most of the Flex owners/customers at all. Most of them have already stated they want nothing to do with the, let's say, tainted reputation of Flight Options. They will be long gone to NJA before he can even get his plan started.
 

el raton

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According to the well placed insider, we will only have a limited say with a CBA as there will only be about half of us left working.

To accomplish his plan, all KR has to do is convince his Flexjet partners to give him their share of the $185M used to purchase the company, easy.

His plan won't fool most of the Flex owners/customers at all. Most of them have already stated they want nothing to do with the, let's say, tainted reputation of Flight Options. They will be long gone to NJA before he can even get his plan started.

This plan may be more difficult than you think. 2 of the investors are also flex costumers. With that much of their money involved, I'm sure they have their finger on the pulse of the Flexjet's costumers.

It might be highly unlikely, but wouldn't be surprising at all if Ricci ended up being the odd man out.
 

chief9404

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According to the well placed insider, we will only have a limited say with a CBA as there will only be about half of us left working.

To accomplish his plan, all KR has to do is convince his Flexjet partners to give him their share of the $185M used to purchase the company, easy.

His plan won't fool most of the Flex owners/customers at all. Most of them have already stated they want nothing to do with the, let's say, tainted reputation of Flight Options. They will be long gone to NJA before he can even get his plan started.

"Tainted reputation of Flight Options." You got that right. It amazes me that there is so many that want to work for him with no CBA.
 

Seahawk

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This plan may be more difficult than you think. 2 of the investors are also flex costumers. With that much of their money involved, I'm sure they have their finger on the pulse of the Flexjet's costumers.

It might be highly unlikely, but wouldn't be surprising at all if Ricci ended up being the odd man out.


If all the nightmare stories come true then I would rather have Flexjet up for sale to another investment group then deal with a union.
 

slowtation capt

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This plan may be more difficult than you think. 2 of the investors are also flex costumers. With that much of their money involved, I'm sure they have their finger on the pulse of the Flexjet's costumers.

It might be highly unlikely, but wouldn't be surprising at all if Ricci ended up being the odd man out.

Investors want to see a return on their investment. They don't care how they get that return as long as they get their return.
 

wingsnthings

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Investors want to see a return on their investment. They don't care how they get that return as long as they get their return.

I agree, but also if you have an unhappy workforce, productivity goes down along with customer service. Neither is good for any business.
 

V1 Rotate

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Investors want to see a return on their investment. They don't care how they get that return as long as they get their return.

True but at some point they all sat down agreed to a plan that they all saw fit that would get them their 20% return. We were making 15% for Bombardier.
 

slowtation capt

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True but at some point they all sat down agreed to a plan that they all saw fit that would get them their 20% return. We were making 15% for Bombardier.

If you are knowledge about the percentages, then how do you believe KR will come up with 5% more.
 

V1 Rotate

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All I know is what I heard early on after the transaction. I have no intel as to how they plan to achieve it other than the fleet plan, storefront etc stuff that we've all heard about.
 
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