IBT 1108 Attempts to take NJASAP funds

[B19 Flyer]

Thanks, Dime. I'm just standing up for what is right.

No, you stand up for what you don't understand. You stand up for the union your husband is a leader of because he gets paid for his volunteer work.

You don't stand up for the fractional or aviation industry.

You have a highly disrespectful opinion of support workers, so it's clear you don't stand up for them.

Get a job in the aviation industry, then you can take claim for working beside and sharing the effort of work that others do.

Until then, post like you are on the sidelines rather than in the middle of all the action and making decisions that others will live by.

Posting inside union information and opinions on public message boards that would mainly be derived from your husband just wreaks of unprofessionalism.

 

[dime line]

point made he busts a WIFES ass and yet I can call him a moron and nothing happens. He isn't in the aviation business, yet he rags on a WIFE of a pilot, he brings up support workers, yet they don't have a say, well how is they don't have a say? I think they have a say just like the pilots, we had a say and voted a union in. Its not the pilots fault the support workers are the way they are.

 

[netjetwife]

Good points, Dime. I think few readers here fail to see exactly what's going on. Those who deal in FUD know just how far they can go. They look for weaker targets that they perceive to be open to attack. I decided early on that supporting you guys trying to raise the bar is worth it.
Attacking a wife just shows his F&H attitude, not to mention his disrespect for those in a support role. Actions speak louder than words. I can stand by my enthusiasm and respect while touring NJA at CMH. It is genuine, as all who met me (lots of non-pilots) are aware. I was also one of the first posters here to report on and support the partnership that formed between the pilots and management workers at NJA. I think the joint committees are a great idea (kudos to all who serve on one) and I hope that the concept will spread throughout the fractional industry.
Hang in there, guys!
NJW

 

[Tree7]

No, you stand up for what you don't understand. You stand up for the union your husband is a leader of because he gets paid for his volunteer work.

You don't stand up for the fractional or aviation industry.

You have a highly disrespectful opinion of support workers, so it's clear you don't stand up for them.

Get a job in the aviation industry, then you can take claim for working beside and sharing the effort of work that others do.

Until then, post like you are on the sidelines rather than in the middle of all the action and making decisions that others will live by.

Posting inside union information and opinions on public message boards that would mainly be derived from your husband just wreaks of unprofessionalism.

B19 Flyer,

Do you have a wife or spouse? While you have tried to denigrate NJW's position on other workers, all you have really done is to show your own derogatory opinion (or lack of understanding), of the people that share and support the lives of the line pilots. NJW HAS a job in the Fractional industry! It is the same type of support role that you are attempting to denigrate her responses for.

When we, (Strong Union) began to organize and discuss things in 2004, we worked with a lot of experienced people who told us some pretty important things. Amongst the group were United pilots who lead the 1985 strike. One of the most valuable lessons we heard, was how important the family/spousal support was to the success of the strike. Many of those who told us this, were not original backers of the concept.

I have no idea why you would denigrate NJW's contributions. I have worked with NJW's husband for the last four years. He worked with me in my role as the Executive Board liason between Training and Management for most of that time. He is a "leader" of this organization because he worked his ass off to make it work, and has the intellectual capability AND experience to make that happen. Quite frankly, he could have had a management position paying far more than he can make in any Union volunteer "paid" position a long time ago.

If you think he got paid enough in his "volunteer" work to cover what he lost in other wages, you would be sadly mistaken. In addition to the real money he could have had, he skipped out on some large chunks of supplemental duty pay, (instructor etc.) because he did not get trained for months because the Union position required too much work, and he CHOSE to do that rather than get the extra pay.

Any pay that members of 1108, or now NJASAP, are paid, is designed primarily to reimburse for other lost opportunities. It has been calculated to approximate the average additional income that our contract provided for actually flying the line and picking up some of the many benefits that we provided contractually, with the additional days work done for the pilots included at a bare minimum pay.

So...., I'm putting a lot of info out, but don't see the same from you......, do people know your name? Are you really a pilot? Do you work for a Fractional company? Would you let me compare your resume to that of NJW's husband? I would guess that the answers are mixed. My name's below. If you are really a Flight Options pilot, who cares about a new contract, feel free to contact some of your leadership and ask for my number. They should all have it, and I would be happy to talk.

Sincerely,


Greg Rountree (aka "Tree")

 

[FLYLOW22]

B19... Meet Tree.

This is gonna be... awesome.

 

[waka]

B19... Meet Tree.

This is gonna be... awesome.

No, B19 has yet to answer directly and legitimately to questions or points, ever. He is an intellectual coward and probably a real life coward.

 

[netjetwife]

Great post, Tree. When you and other SU leaders encouraged family participation in 2004 I knew that it boded well for the pilot group. The wisdom of that decision is apparent today at NJA and across the fractional industry where the bar has been raised. Thanks for all your hard work and dedication! My husband has considered it an honor to work beside you. NJW

 

[B19 Flyer]

B19 Flyer,

Do you have a wife or spouse?

Asked and answered.

While you have tried to denigrate NJW's position on other workers, all you have really done is to show your own derogatory opinion (or lack of understanding), of the people that share and support the lives of the line pilots.

Asked answered, please review her words on the CS pay thread.

NJW HAS a job in the Fractional industry! It is the same type of support role that you are attempting to denigrate her responses for.

Asked and answered.

When we, (Strong Union) began to organize and discuss things in 2004, we worked with a lot of experienced people who told us some pretty important things. Amongst the group were United pilots who lead the 1985 strike. One of the most valuable lessons we heard, was how important the family/spousal support was to the success of the strike. Many of those who told us this, were not original backers of the concept.

Success for the strike, not the success of the company and long term investment for all employees.

I have no idea why you would denigrate NJW's contributions.

Asked and answered, and I feel that the word denigrate and disagree have far different meanings. The word disagree is much more appropriate.

I have worked with NJW's husband for the last four years. He worked with me in my role as the Executive Board liason between Training and Management for most of that time. He is a "leader" of this organization because he worked his ass off to make it work, and has the intellectual capability AND experience to make that happen. Quite frankly, he could have had a management position paying far more than he can make in any Union volunteer "paid" position a long time ago.

If you think he got paid enough in his "volunteer" work to cover what he lost in other wages, you would be sadly mistaken. In addition to the real money he could have had, he skipped out on some large chunks of supplemental duty pay, (instructor etc.) because he did not get trained for months because the Union position required too much work, and he CHOSE to do that rather than get the extra pay.

Any pay that members of 1108, or now NJASAP, are paid, is designed primarily to reimburse for other lost opportunities. It has been calculated to approximate the average additional income that our contract provided for actually flying the line and picking up some of the many benefits that we provided contractually, with the additional days work done for the pilots included at a bare minimum pay.


Asked and answered, but for the sake of current conversation, does the union prorate and reimburse Netjets for the money paid for health insurance and workers comp premiums, taxes and other benefits (vacation, hoildays) like the union reimburses him for time lost flying? It would be fair, don't you agree?

You can review my posts on this question also.

Nobody ever responded because we both know the truth.


So...., I'm putting a lot of info out, but don't see the same from you......, do people know your name?

Asked and answered.

Are you really a pilot?

Asked and answered.

Do you work for a Fractional company?

Asked and answered.

Would you let me compare your resume to that of NJW's husband?

Asked and answered, and I know little of his resume, nor do I care about it. From the posts I read he's an honorable guy. But I reserve the right to disagree with his wife's opinions if she is going to post.

I would guess that the answers are mixed. My name's below.

If you are really a Flight Options pilot, who cares about a new contract, feel free to contact some of your leadership and ask for my number.

Ahh.. no... and I find that funny.

They should all have it, and I would be happy to talk.

No... I've talked to enough MEC leaders to know where they are coming from. You aren't going to change my opinion on unions after a couple of decades in the industry watching unions tear apart companies and families.

If you can't take the time to look through my posts (everything you ask has been answered before, ad nauseum) I'm not going to take the time to respond any deeper.

 

[steelersrule74]

lmao.......

so once again, if the question is:

"is b-19 flyer a fud spewing me-first screw the rest of you Ford and Harrison disciple who takes great joy in the failures of others - so long as his little slice of the pie is good?"

I'd say - asked and answered........

 

[RNObased]

If you can't take the time to look through my posts (everything you ask has been answered before, ad nauseum) I'm not going to take the time to respond any deeper.

B19 you are a complete coward. The man asked you a valid questions and you hide behind the BS statement "asked and answered". If you would man up and actually answer the question you might gain a shread of respect, however the fact that you hide behide something silly, like look through all my old posts, just shows you to be what I always thought you were, a coward.

Grow a spine.