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I need copies of CBAs from other carriers

kommutrdog

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I'm currently enjoying the fruits of the "direct relationship" at bluejet and am doing a little research on my own. I would like to obtain copies of current CBAs from other US carriers. Alaska, American, United, Southwest, etc...

If anyone wouldn't mind pointing me to a place where I could download a PDF of said documents it would be greatly appreciated.

Please PM me if you have any input/advice.

Thank you in advance.
 

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I'm currently enjoying the fruits of the "direct relationship" at bluejet and am doing a little research on my own. I would like to obtain copies of current CBAs from other US carriers. Alaska, American, United, Southwest, etc...

If anyone wouldn't mind pointing me to a place where I could download a PDF of said documents it would be greatly appreciated.

Please PM me if you have any input/advice.

Thank you in advance.[/QUO





ALPA has them all...are you an ALPA member? if not try to be one
 

Ky.BrownBourbn

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I'm currently enjoying the fruits of the "direct relationship" at bluejet and am doing a little research on my own. I would like to obtain copies of current CBAs from other US carriers. Alaska, American, United, Southwest, etc...

If anyone wouldn't mind pointing me to a place where I could download a PDF of said documents it would be greatly appreciated.

Please PM me if you have any input/advice.

Thank you in advance.

Can you explain comment "fruits of the "direct relationship""?

Are you in management?

KBB
 

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He sounds sarcastic....but maybe that's just me. The "..." around direct relationship seems to be the giveaway.
 

kommutrdog

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Not an ALPA member which is what my little homework assignment is about, actually. Trying to do some comparison shopping.

Yes, I was being sarcastic. The "direct relationship" is just modern day PR parlance for "union busting". Walmart uses the same playbook. I fly for the walmart of the airline industry, sad to say. Blue shirts. Blue vests at Walmart. Coincidence?

We are trying to get more momentum for bringing ALPA on the property. Hopefully, third time's a charm.
 

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Not an ALPA member which is what my little homework assignment is about, actually. Trying to do some comparison shopping.


Email your Compensation and Work Rules Committee. They have most of the ALPA CBA's of our "peers".


Hopefully soon we'll be pattern bargaining for our own CBA.
 

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I have a document produced by ALPA after the UAL TA that compares all the contracts. It's in my Dropbox but I don't know how to upload it here.
 

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Not an ALPA member which is what my little homework assignment is about, actually. Trying to do some comparison shopping.

Yes, I was being sarcastic. The "direct relationship" is just modern day PR parlance for "union busting". Walmart uses the same playbook. I fly for the walmart of the airline industry, sad to say. Blue shirts. Blue vests at Walmart. Coincidence?

We are trying to get more momentum for bringing ALPA on the property. Hopefully, third time's a charm.

I thought sw or spirit was the walmart of the airline industry? If it's so bad there, why not simply vote a union in? Isn't it just 51% to say yes? Or is management smarter than the 51%?
 

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I thought sw or spirit was the walmart of the airline industry? If it's so bad there, why not simply vote a union in? Isn't it just 51% to say yes? Or is management smarter than the 51%?

Right now it's kind of a poker game. Cards are being collected but it's not a formal drive and we want to make damn sure that this time we have the votes, unlike the past two union attempts.

Plus there is still the whole propaganda thing. This company has on retainer PR firms that spout happy-horse***t propaganda on a daily basis. We're afraid there might still be too many koolaid drinkers on the property.
 

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I thought sw or spirit was the walmart of the airline industry? If it's so bad there, why not simply vote a union in? Isn't it just 51% to say yes? Or is management smarter than the 51%?

Fortunately many have finally seen the light. The third time will be the charm. Send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card.
 

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Why fund ALPA when you could start an in-house union?

If management "offers" to "help" us form an in-house union it will be nothing more than a trojan horse. Beware of executives bearing gifts to its employees.

Also, an in-house union will be weak and way underfunded. CBAs mean nothing without a legitimate way of enforcing them.
 

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If management "offers" to "help" us form an in-house union it will be nothing more than a trojan horse. Beware of executives bearing gifts to its employees.

Also, an in-house union will be weak and way underfunded. CBAs mean nothing without a legitimate way of enforcing them.

Not sure this is or has to be true. American has an in-house union. Southwest pilots have always had an in-house union, even when we were JetBlue's size. We only have 1% dues, and we always have enough money. in fact, our reserve fund is getting so big, they're talking about a dues holiday or reduction. Guess it all depends.

Bubba
 

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Not sure this is or has to be true. American has an in-house union. Southwest pilots have always had an in-house union, even when we were JetBlue's size. We only have 1% dues, and we always have enough money. in fact, our reserve fund is getting so big, they're talking about a dues holiday or reduction. Guess it all depends.

Bubba

One major reason SWA's In House works is because Herb Kelleher welcomed it. Therefore, the SWA pilots benefitted from being able to build a stong In House union while also having a labor friendly relationship with management. JetBlue's management is extremely anti-union and would crush another In House drive, as they did a few years ago.

American Airlines' pilots were formerly represented by ALPA for many years and therefore already had a strong foundation from which to start the APA.

JetBlue pilots have absolutely nothing. ALPA is our fastest and best route to a CBA at this point in time. We need representation yesterday. As each day passes without representation, this pilot group becomes more and more vulnerable.

Send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card.
 

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This ^^^^^^^^

In-house union at bluejet is DOA.
 

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One major reason SWA's In House works is because Herb Kelleher welcomed it. Therefore, the SWA pilots benefitted from being able to build a stong In House union while also having a labor friendly relationship with management. JetBlue's management is extremely anti-union and would crush another In House drive, as they did a few years ago.

American Airlines' pilots were formerly represented by ALPA for many years and therefore already had a strong foundation from which to start the APA.

JetBlue pilots have absolutely nothing. ALPA is our fastest and best route to a CBA at this point in time. We need representation yesterday. As each day passes without representation, this pilot group becomes more and more vulnerable.

Send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card.


Not disagreeing with you, as I'm not there. And I believe you that your management can be anti-union, but how can your company "crush another in-house drive," but have to allow an ALPA drive? Wouldn't it be the same process?

Bubba
 

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Not disagreeing with you, as I'm not there. And I believe you that your management can be anti-union, but how can your company "crush another in-house drive," but have to allow an ALPA drive?

They're not "allowing" jack spit. They fight a daily battle against unions of all sorts. But if they perceive that a pilot union is inevitable, their next move would be to "concede" victory and set up and fund a captive union based on the weak "representative" structure already in place. The structure has the appearance of supporting pilot interests but has no voice and no teeth. Turning this into a captive in-house is just one propaganda push away. We've got plenty of pilots who are more interested in the appearance of security than in dealing with the reality of our situation, and are primed to be lulled to sleep again.
 
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