Hurray for the 1108, The RIFed are back !

[skanza]

umm...you're wrong?

You and I can understand what you wrote, but da19 and scumza will not comprehend what your saying here, not one word of it.

..jb.?

 

[skanza]

Whatever your twisted minds tell you, there are 70 pilots, fired due to the actions of management, and re-hired due to the actions of a UNION (mob as da19 puts it). No matter how you spin it. Those are the facts

No spin here. I do acknowledge that the management did "fire" these and 128 other people. But you can't completely remove the union from the equation as efforts from people like you to disrupt the operation for the union's sake most surely added to customer dissatisfaction.
Maybe that will all change now and everybody (pilots amnd oweners alike) will be happy.

 

[Frac Cap]

Profracpilot, that was an excellent post. Very accurate, and insightful.

I have stayed in the shadows for the last few months for several reasons. Partly to let our leadership do their work without any more saber rattling on this web site. And also, to be honest, I just didn't care anymore what happened to Flight Options after seeing 70 of our pilots fired. Fired for doing their jobs, and at times, doing the job that others were too afraid of doing, which in turn made them a target. That could have just as easily been me. I was ready to just throw in the towel and let this place die because I just didn't care anymore. But with the new change of management and their willingness to re-float this sinking ship, I am inspired. I am inspired to go the extra mile for the passengers like we use to.

The attitude of our new management is refreshing and invigorating. I am hopeful to be apart of an unprecedented turnaround that will bring this company back to the status it once had. I will do my very best to make that happen, and I know that this new management will give us the tools to get there.

One thing that Skanza said compelled me to break my silence and put my 1 cent in (still can't afford 2). Our new management may be worthy of our trust and devotion, but if we don't learn from history, history can and usually does repeat itself. Due to the abuse we went thru the last few years, if they truly want this company to move forward, it has to be with a CBA. Rest assured they have one. likewise, we will no longer work without one.

I said my piece, and now I can go back in the shadows.

 

[waka]

^^^You beat me to it B19...^^^

regurgitating again parrot boy? I'm impressed!

 

[waka]

The firing had everything to do with the union and the high cost involved to stagnate the company because it is unable to grow and prosper during the negotiations.

high cost? puhleeze! any company expenses involved were the company uselessly squandering money at F&H. the company stopped the company from growing. the union is simply representing the pilots standing up for their rights.

of course, you wouldn't know about standing up for anything.

 

[waka]

Joining a union isn't standing up for yourself. It is becoming part of a mob.

Standing up for yourself would have been finding a job that matched what you wanted, not forcing those around you to provide what you can't find elsewhere.

again, you have demonstrated that you know nothing about standing up for yourself.

nobody is forcing anything with a union. the union was voted in with a majority vote and an even larger percentage support the union. this is the United States of America and we have rights. I'm sorry that you were too much of a coward to exercise your rights in the past. now you're just an ass kissing sell-out.


like I said, you have yet to answer with anything legitimate.

 

[skanza]

umm..no.

regurgitating again parrot boy? I'm impressed!

Nope. Just agreeing with him as he wrote what I was thinking.

Parrot boy? Really?

 

[waka]

Parrot boy? Really?

Yes, really. I call 'em as I see 'em.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Yes, really. I call 'em as I see 'em.

Are you "seeing" that they always seem to post within minutes of each other? ...likely to pat "themselves" on the back (have them both on ignore but see a zillion "ignored" posts with its many screen names)

 

[netjetwife]

Profracpilot, that was an excellent post. Very accurate, and insightful. ...I said my piece, and now I can go back in the shadows.

I agree. I enjoyed both posts--yours, FC, and Pro's. Don't go too far away; it looks like things will continue to be interesting in the months ahead. I'm happy for you that your morale is increasing. Respectful treatment can work wonders! Now if they give you guys the professional compensation and fair work rules you deserve (by merit) things will surely turn around.
Regards, NJW

 

[Sky Captain]

ProFrac, I have to say that was well said and not too pro-union in an over-bearing way. I think you're right about the vision of the new (old) management but I would add that they will probably try to achieve this in a way that there would be no need for a union.

The actions of management CREATED the NEED for a UNION. Now that one is on property, the Union is who management will need to negotiate with and hopefully resolve this managment induced situation.

I am glad to hear that the 70 will be getting their rightful jobs back. Damn good thing you had 1108 watching your back.

BEWARE: As previously stated, trust but verify. NetJets had Boisture negotiating against the pilots (with the wizard behind the curtain) then the wizard came out from behind the curtain to take credit for the turnaround and appear to be the white knight.

Has Ricci pulled the same bait and switch by leaving, having the management/Union tensions build, then come in as the FLOPS white knight?

Just beware and don't settle for less than you are worth just because of promises and new (old) faces at the table.

 

[B19 Flyer]

again, you have demonstrated that you know nothing about standing up for yourself.

Nobody speaks for me but me. I stand on my own and have the courage to take responsibility for my own career.

That little sticker on your flight case that says, "My union speaks for me" tells the world that you have to hide behind the skirts of a union because you are not capable of speaking for yourself.

nobody is forcing anything with a union. the union was voted in with a majority vote and an even larger percentage support the union. this is the United States of America and we have rights. I'm sorry that you were too much of a coward to exercise your rights in the past. now you're just an ass kissing sell-out.

It was not a majority vote. It was 66% of the pilots. A true majority vote would have included all of the stakeholders. That would include all the employees of the company. In that vote... the union loses. With that stated, it means that the group from within is forcing it's will on the rest of the company that doesn't want you there. If they really wanted you there, you would have had a CBA a long time ago.


like I said, you have yet to answer with anything legitimate.

You still haven't asked a legitimate question.

@@@@@@@

 

[B19 Flyer]

The actions of management CREATED the NEED for a UNION.

Free country. If you don't like how you are going to be treated, GO FIND ANOTHER JOB.

Now that one is on property, the Union is who management will need to negotiate with and hopefully resolve this managment induced situation.


I am glad to hear that the 70 will be getting their rightful jobs back. Damn good thing you had 1108 watching your back.

Yep, 1108 was watching their backs. 1108 knew the firings would happen as part of the negotiations process, they knew they would be offered the jobs back and they knew they would look like heros when it was all said and done.

The only back 1108 was watching was the location their foot landed on to push those pilots out the door so they could look grand in the end.


BEWARE: As previously stated, trust but verify. NetJets had Boisture negotiating against the pilots (with the wizard behind the curtain) then the wizard came out from behind the curtain to take credit for the turnaround and appear to be the white knight.

Has Ricci pulled the same bait and switch by leaving, having the management/Union tensions build, then come in as the FLOPS white knight?

Just beware and don't settle for less than you are worth just because of promises and new (old) faces at the table.

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[B19 Flyer]

No spin here. I do acknowledge that the management did "fire" these and 128 other people. But you can't completely remove the union from the equation as efforts from people like you to disrupt the operation for the union's sake most surely added to customer dissatisfaction.
Maybe that will all change now and everybody (pilots amnd oweners alike) will be happy.

Many posters on this thread talk about courage.

Not one of them talk about the other 128.

They haven't the courage.

 

[B19 Flyer]

I agree. I enjoyed both posts--yours, FC, and Pro's. Don't go too far away; it looks like things will continue to be interesting in the months ahead. I'm happy for you that your morale is increasing. Respectful treatment can work wonders! Now if they give you guys the professional compensation and fair work rules you deserve (by merit) things will surely turn around.
Regards, NJW

NJW, how about those 128? We all know you have NO respect for them because in your opinion as previously stated, they didn't invest properly in their careers.

Perhaps they should begin volunteering at NJ?

Maybe then they could feed their families and your husband could begin flying again like he was hired to do.

Not once have you mentioned them.

Selfish, union monger that you are....

 

[400pilot]

Here's a fact for you.....

At the merger we had near 1000 pilots and approx. 600 support personnel...

At the end of the MS reign we had 500 pilots and about 900 + support personnel...

Maybe its just me but we had and still have way too many people working in the office. What happened with the people in CGF was inevitable....with or without the union.

 

[waka]

@Nobody speaks for me but me. I stand on my own and have the courage to take responsibility for my own career.

That's why you're a lame low level manager. Your loss of your medical was a good thing for the pilot profession.

That little sticker on your flight case that says, "My union speaks for me" tells the world that you have to hide behind the skirts of a union because you are not capable of speaking for yourself.

The alternative would be what you did. To not stand for yourself and to kiss ass to your current position. I'm not surprised that you don't recognize when a group of people that realize that their sum is greater than the parts. Fact; The union has accomplished for the pilots what individuals cannot do.

It was not a majority vote. It was 66% of the pilots. A true majority vote would have included all of the stakeholders. That would include all the employees of the company. In that vote... the union loses. With that stated, it means that the group from within is forcing it's will on the rest of the company that doesn't want you there. If they really wanted you there, you would have had a CBA a long time ago.

How stupid can you be? That is the most ignorant thing you have ever said. The majority of the pilots voted for a pilot's union, moron. The pilots want a contract that would only work for the pilots. If the other groups had the solidarity to vote in a union, them more power to them. Then the unions could support each other. Until then, it is the IBT and 1108. Besides, name one airline that has a union that represents all of the rank and file positions.

You still haven't asked a legitimate question.

That is just the equivalent of a kid yelling and plugging his ears. You have been asked a multitude of legitimate and very simple questions. You just spin them into nonsense because you're a coward.....just like your friend that committed suicide.

Like I said, you have yet to answer with anything legitimate.

 

[waka]

They haven't the courage.

A coward speaks about courage! :laugh:

 

[skanza]

ignore this

Are you "seeing" that they always seem to post within minutes of each other? ...likely to pat "themselves" on the back (have them both on ignore but see a zillion "ignored" posts with its many screen names)

Oh crap! You figured us (me) out! Geeze, I thought I had them fooled! I guess I was dumb to post so soon between switching usernames.
Come on, get real, fool. Oh that's right, the ignore function only lets you here one side of an arguement. Gee, that's thorough information gathering.

 

[waka]

Oh crap! You figured us (me) out! Geeze, I thought I had them fooled! I guess I was dumb to post so soon between switching usernames.

Sorry. Your sarcasm doesn't sweep the facts under the rug.

Come on, get real, fool. Oh that's right, the ignore function only lets you here one side of an arguement. Gee, that's thorough information gathering.

Well, no. Because an argument would imply that there are valid points on both sides. You/B19 are trolls so, no one is missing anything (other than a laugh) if they have you on their ignore list.