Hurray for the 1108, The RIFed are back !

[On Your Six]

Gee, what a shock. NJW appearing uncaring. In all of these posts not once have you been concerned about any of the other employees that were laid off along with the 70 pilots.

All of them should be brought back, not just the pilots NJW. They were laid off as a direct statement regarding the union activity as bargaining chips.

Have you not mentioned any of the others because in your opinion they didn't invest properly in their careers?

Yes, you appearing uncaring. It's not a matter of "appearing" uncaring. You ARE uncaring.

You sound like a big dork. Do you ever read what you post?

 

[brokeflyer]

I don't remember the union telling ME or my coworkers (many of them card carrying union members) that we were being laid off either time.

It was clear that it was the union action that caused the problem both times. Many of the others went back to fly for the same companies. I went to greener pastures (no unions!) after the second time wishing never to have it happen again.
Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Work where there is a union? Expect the same turmoil and results no matter where you are.

So.. what's the question you want answered?

whaaa whaaa quit your fckin crying its pathetic....you act like your the only one who had rough time in aviation.

We get it.....you don't like unions....well ya know some of us here LIKE our union. So your gonna have to learn to live with that.

 

[BornAgainPagan]

I don't remember the union telling ME or my coworkers (many of them card carrying union members) that we were being laid off either time.

It was clear that it was the union action that caused the problem both times. Many of the others went back to fly for the same companies. I went to greener pastures (no unions!) after the second time wishing never to have it happen again.
Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Work where there is a union? Expect the same turmoil and results no matter where you are.

So.. what's the question you want answered?

people are asking for a legitimate answer

again, just answer the question. did the union fire the 70 pilots?

 

[waka]

people are asking for a legitimate answer

again, just answer the question. did the union fire the 70 pilots?

don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.

 

[skyismyoffice]

FLOPs may actually become a place where Union and Management can actually work side by side. I would have never thunk it.

The press release below was issued today:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: ​

Flight Options Media Line​

216.797.8350​

​

International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 1108​

866.505.1108​

​

Change Is In the Air:
Flight Options and Pilots’ Union Announce Joint Cooperation​

CLEVELAND, Ohio – August 11, 2008 – Flight Options, a leading provider of safe, reliable and luxurious private air travel services, and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 1108 announced today an unprecedented expression of mutual cooperation. Both labor and management have pledged to put their past differences aside and instead dedicate their efforts to achieving common goals.

Kenn Ricci, the chairman of Flight Options, recently joined negotiations with the Flight Options pilots’ union. When asked how his personal involvement will change the focus at the bargaining table, Kenn said, “Our employees are our most precious resource and we recognize that our pilots are the most important part of delivering exemplary safety and service to our customers. As such, we intend to offer our pilots a long-term contract that recognizes them as the best in the industry.”

Captain Mat Slinghoff, the union’s president, when reached at the IBT Local 1108 office said, “We are pleased to join with the Company to express both eagerness and confidence that our first Collective Bargaining Agreement is now within reach. The pilots share Flight Options’ goal of providing unparalleled safety and service to our customers.”

"The Union and Company negotiating teams are working day and night to finalize an agreement that satisfies both the needs of the pilots and the business. I’m confident that bright skies are ahead,” Slinghoff added.

About Flight Options
Flight Options, LLC, has earned a reputation as a leader and innovator within the private aviation industry. The Cleveland, Ohio-based company marks its 10th Anniversary in 2008 and offers the complete spectrum of programs from Fractional First™ ownership to leasing, aircraft management, and JetPASS Membership. The company is an industry leader in private aviation safety as well, having been selected by the FAA to partner and participate in the development and implementation of a formal Safety Management System (SMS) soon to be required for all air service providers. Flight Options provides personalized service to its Owners and Members, with a fleet of 120 aircraft consisting of the Hawker 400XP, Hawker 850XP, Citation X and Embraer Legacy. More information is available at www.flightoptions.com or by calling 877.703.2348.

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[netjetwife]

NJW, sorry if I came off the wrong way. I am very frustrated lately, and I am sure it shows. It's also entirely understandable. Being put on the street from a company that I had put my heart and soul into is really devastating. Absolutely! I had every intention of staying at my previous employer for at least 3-5 more years, and I never saw what happened coming. Which I think is very wrong of them. Sharing info and allowing people time to plan is the right, decent thing to do. I have had a wealth of support from my fellow pilot, but I have yet to generate a job from any of my networking. A worrisome time for you. I can only pray that we can get back in the seat before it is too late, and everything we have worked so hard for has gone down the tubes. Perhaps you can take a non-flying job in the meantime. I thought by avoiding the traditional airlines I was somewhat immune to my current situation. Reminds me of a quote my parents use to tell me growing up, "if you want to hear god laugh tell him your plans." Parents also encourage their children to set goals and have dreams. You realized yours so that puts you far ahead of those who never even tried. I am so sick of this bumpy road, but my faith in people and my love of flying will carry me through.

I agree. The virtue of persistence is a valuable asset. It will see you through many difficult times. Do keep me posted on how things turn out. Best Wishes! NJW

 

[netjetwife]

That's awesome news, guys! I knew that was light I saw at the end of the tunnel... There's still a lot of work ahead, but progress will come much faster now and it will be worth it in the end. Sure sounds like they're talking industry standard to me.

Three cheers for bright skies and a new era at Flight Options! :beer:

 

[fischman]

Kenn Ricci, the chairman of Flight Options, recently joined negotiations with the Flight Options pilots’ union. When asked how his personal involvement will change the focus at the bargaining table, Kenn said, “Our employees are our most precious resource and we recognize that our pilots are the most important part of delivering exemplary safety and service to our customers. As such, we intend to offer our pilots a long-term contract that recognizes them as the best in the industry.”

I truly hope Ricci believes his own statement. You guys earned that respect. A word of caution however, don't count your chickens before they hatch. Ricci still needs to live up to those words.

 

[B19 Flyer]

people are asking for a legitimate answer

again, just answer the question. did the union fire the 70 pilots?

No Flight Options did, and lets not forget about all the others that lost their jobs at the same time.

Now, did the United States begin WWII?

No? The war formally started after the attack, so the US must have been at fault, right?

Consider the invading union to Flight Options the same as an attacking army with Flight Options defending itself. The company doing the firing was defending itself against the invaders. They were bargaining chips, nothing more.

 

[B19 Flyer]

whaaa whaaa quit your fckin crying its pathetic....you act like your the only one who had rough time in aviation.

We get it.....you don't like unions....well ya know some of us here LIKE our union. So your gonna have to learn to live with that.

The only rough times I've had in aviation were the two layoffs and moving my family all over the country because of union selfishness. My unemployment as a result can be measured in days during my entire career. I like unions, as long as they are destroying somebody elses company and career.

I get torqued at the union attitudes and complete selfishness, forcing the union will into a company and employee base that doesn't want it.

 

[B19 Flyer]

You sound like a big dork. Do you ever read what you post?

Of course I do. You know the history of this, right?

You see, NJW feels that anybody that isn't a pilot didn't invest properly in their careers.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=1527412&postcount=101

She will mention the 70, but ignore the rest. There will be no fight for the rest because they were colateral damage to the union.

 

[PigPile]

No Flight Options did, and lets not forget about all the others that lost their jobs at the same time.

Now, did the United States begin WWII?

No? The war formally started after the attack, so the US must have been at fault, right?

Consider the invading union to Flight Options the same as an attacking army with Flight Options defending itself. The company doing the firing was defending itself against the invaders. They were bargaining chips, nothing more.

Wow!! You really are lost when it comes to the FLOPS timeline. Is it even worth my time to remind you of the stabs in the back that they (the pilots) received prior to organizing? But, you don't want to hear that so I will pass.

 

[Ultra Grump]

...announced today an unprecedented expression of mutual cooperation...

Unprecedented? Really?

 

[netjetwife]

Yes, Fisch, due diligence is still the prudent course but management seems to have recognized the problem and that's half the battle. When both sides are focused on finding fair solutions, prompt positive progress is possible. Now say that 3 times real fast...

P, you know those who deal in FUD constantly warp reality. That's why so many of us here have the fudspinner on the top of the ignore list. As you correctly surmise, it isn't worth your time to respond to him. Word-twisting is all you'll get for the effort.

When the Options pilotgroup has a CBA to celebrate we'll also get to cheer the departure of the fudspinners who will, unfortunately, be moving on to attack the next group that has the guts to stand up for their legal right to work under a contract. I predict that a good outcome at Flight Options will inspire other underpaid/overworked pilots to make a similar stand. Let's also hope that it shows other management groups the wisdom of treating employees with respect and forming a partnership with them to the benefit of the entire company. NJW

 

[Myster79]

No Flight Options did, and lets not forget about all the others that lost their jobs at the same time.

Now, did the United States begin WWII?

No? The war formally started after the attack, so the US must have been at fault, right?

Consider the invading union to Flight Options the same as an attacking army with Flight Options defending itself. The company doing the firing was defending itself against the invaders. They were bargaining chips, nothing more.

Your comparing WWII to Flops?

I think you have your wars confused. This was more like the Revolutionary war. You know that whole "No taxation without representation", does that ring any bells?

Our union did not attack FLOPS, FLOPS attacked the pilot group. We had a legal vote for representation. Its not like the union showed up one day and said "here we are and all you pilots better like it", we asked them to help us. FLOPS management failed all of its employees.

With the new management and a contract, this can be a great place to work at again. But believe me when I say this, without the union, none of this would have happened. The union is the reason M.S. is gone and about 80 guys have been offered their jobs back. They are still working on 6 more, which haven't been forgotten.

You say that the union caused the layoffs? No. The union got the jobs back. The union did not tell the company to terminate all of those pilots. I do agree that layoffs do occur during negotiations. Once again this just showed the true colors of M.S. and his cronies. They had the opportunity to do the right thing a very long time ago. However, M.S. again tried to instill fear and bully our pilot group by laying off pilots. That was the final straw for M.S. As soon as that happened I knew that his career at FLOPS was over. Again, he completely underestimated our resolve.

B19 you get on here and preach about how unions screwed you and every other pilot out there. My question is, if unions are so damn bad, then why are the vast majority on professional pilots represented by one union or another? The reason unions still exist is because of poor performing overpaid senior management. The only person I see writing anything negative is you. Now, I had complaints when I was represented by ALPA. However, I would take those little gripes I had any day rather than going at it alone with no representation.

Now, you are either a failed attempt by management to bust the union or you are an inexperienced ass. Whichever you are, give it a rest, we won!

 

[Voice Of Reason]

WooHoo.... the song "Love is is the air" is playing all over the industry today!
:beer:
(though the cynical side of me just hopes the "long term" part of the contract accounts for cost of living increases, and a renewal of the exceeding NJ pay stance...Also protection of the union and contract if FLOPS decides to sell to a staunchly non union outfit with a larger percentage of "voting" pilots)

The press release below was issued today:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact:
Flight Options Media Line
216.797.8350
International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 1108
866.505.1108​

Change Is In the Air:
Flight Options and Pilots’ Union Announce Joint Cooperation​

CLEVELAND, Ohio – August 11, 2008 – Flight Options, a leading provider of safe, reliable and luxurious private air travel services, and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 1108 announced today an unprecedented expression of mutual cooperation. Both labor and management have pledged to put their past differences aside and instead dedicate their efforts to achieving common goals.

Kenn Ricci, the chairman of Flight Options, recently joined negotiations with the Flight Options pilots’ union. When asked how his personal involvement will change the focus at the bargaining table, Kenn said, “Our employees are our most precious resource and we recognize that our pilots are the most important part of delivering exemplary safety and service to our customers. As such, we intend to offer our pilots a long-term contract that recognizes them as the best in the industry.”

Captain Mat Slinghoff, the union’s president, when reached at the IBT Local 1108 office said, “We are pleased to join with the Company to express both eagerness and confidence that our first Collective Bargaining Agreement is now within reach. The pilots share Flight Options’ goal of providing unparalleled safety and service to our customers.”

"The Union and Company negotiating teams are working day and night to finalize an agreement that satisfies both the needs of the pilots and the business. I’m confident that bright skies are ahead,” Slinghoff added.

About Flight Options
Flight Options, LLC, has earned a reputation as a leader and innovator within the private aviation industry. The Cleveland, Ohio-based company marks its 10th Anniversary in 2008 and offers the complete spectrum of programs from Fractional First™ ownership to leasing, aircraft management, and JetPASS Membership. The company is an industry leader in private aviation safety as well, having been selected by the FAA to partner and participate in the development and implementation of a formal Safety Management System (SMS) soon to be required for all air service providers. Flight Options provides personalized service to its Owners and Members, with a fleet of 120 aircraft consisting of the Hawker 400XP, Hawker 850XP, Citation X and Embraer Legacy. More information is available at www.flightoptions.com or by calling 877.703.2348.

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[waka]

No Flight Options did, and lets not forget about all the others that lost their jobs at the same time.

Now, did the United States begin WWII?

No? The war formally started after the attack, so the US must have been at fault, right?

Consider the invading union to Flight Options the same as an attacking army with Flight Options defending itself. The company doing the firing was defending itself against the invaders. They were bargaining chips, nothing more.

You're such an ignoramus and idiot. If you knew anything about what goes on at FLOPS, you'd know that it was management that was the attacker. Had it not been for 67% of the pilots legally voting in a union, it would be much worse than just illegal firings and management knows it.....part of the reason they rehired was the knowledge that they'd lose yet another big lawsuit and it would have cost them much more in terms of money and bad publicity. Management by intimidation @ FLOPS existed long before the union, dip $hit.

Again, I still don't expect you to reply with anything but abject nonsense.....business as usual.

 

[fischman]

No Flight Options did, and lets not forget about all the others that lost their jobs at the same time.

Now, did the United States begin WWII?

No? The war formally started after the attack, so the US must have been at fault, right?

Consider the invading union to Flight Options the same as an attacking army with Flight Options defending itself. The company doing the firing was defending itself against the invaders. They were bargaining chips, nothing more.

In your example, the FLOPS D.O.D. shot their own troops.

Any way you spin is, firing those people was an immoral thing to do and should be scorned.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Any way you spin is, firing those people was an immoral thing to do and should be scorned.

I also wonder where all the scorn is regarding Ricci having been on the property when that all went down? How quickly so many seem to forget it seems on here. MONTHS ago I posted about the "Management by Trust" book (long before the current thread on it) and how he would use his voodoo to come back like the knight on the white horse. Never did I imagine how QUICKLY the Kool-Aid would take effect again (judging from the posts on this board lately). Just like poor horses and slaves, they "break" us so we are thankful for any little scrap they give. Of anyone you know I prefer KR over MS...but lets not all going losing our minds while were getting sprayed with happy gas. cross every t , dot every i in this contract, and remember this Tony Robbins went to law school (allegedly)

 

[skanza]

!!!

Gee, what a shock. NJW appearing uncaring. In all of these posts not once have you been concerned about any of the other employees that were laid off along with the 70 pilots.

All of them should be brought back, not just the pilots NJW. They were laid off as a direct statement regarding the union activity as bargaining chips.

Have you not mentioned any of the others because in your opinion they didn't invest properly in their careers?

Yes, you appearing uncaring. It's not a matter of "appearing" uncaring. You ARE uncaring.

So, will no one here coment on the 128 non-pilots that lost thier jobs? If so, why not? I'm sure its because they think that these people were of lesser importance in the operation than pilots. My math shows 128 to be more than 70, but all 198 are still people without jobs now. But I guess they are less important because they just schedule our trips, set us up in hotels, maintain our machines, etc...? I know I'm too good to do these things because "I'm a pilot, worship me...."
Typical.