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Funny I don't remember the 1108 leadership telling these pilots you fired on May 23!!! I remember FLOPS leadership (if you call it leadership) telling these pilots YOUR FIRED!!!!

And DA19 the leadership did tell us there would be hostages, NOBODY knew there would be a mass layoff though. Just our coming back proves that management was screwing us, and nothing else, so who is the good guy here, 1108.

MORON
 
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NJW,
Thanks for the card, really appreciate it. And I thank all the Netjets pilots who supported us durning this trying time, now we can get FLOPS back to where it use to be, but better.

B19 Flyer,
I am back because the 1108 stood up to an unethical management team, if not I would still be in the soup line. It's obvious you are a cold hearted individual who lack ethics and moral judgement. Don't bother responding to me because you will be ignored. You are not worth my time.
Don't go away mad, just go away.
 
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B19 Flyer said:
Never claimed to be a "neighborhood non-union cargo company" employee, and I'm certainly not a union buster. I just find it fascinating that unions can hurt so many people to protect so few. These 70 pilots only lost their jobs as part of the process. Union leadership should have been up front with people about this and everybody should have known it. It happens over and over. It's part of the process and those that lost their jobs can blame their counterparts for bringing the union onto the property to give them the opportunity to lose their jobs, then get hired back later as a "feel good" and "good faith" part of the bargaining process. If you guys don't see that, than you're all a lot dumber than I thought you were.

Hopefully many of them have gone elsewhere to greener pastures. 1108 will claim success on bringing them back, but will never admit defeat for getting them fired in the first place.
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Your an idiot. If you claim to have nothing to do with Flight Options, then why do you waste your time posting here? Honestly, do you get off on this sort of stuff? Get a life.
 
Myster79 said:
Your an idiot. If you claim to have nothing to do with Flight Options, then why do you waste your time posting here? Honestly, do you get off on this sort of stuff? Get a life.
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Not to poke fun at those who do but this is about as close to B19 as you can get....


http://www.spunangel.com/opossum/argue.jpg


welcome back fellow floppers!
 
Apparently Kenn Ricci was very instrumental in putting all the RIF pilots back on the line. Our MEC rocks but I have to say that Mr. Ricci seems to deserve some credit as well. FLOPs may actually become a place where Union and Management can actually work side by side. I would have never thunk it.:)
 
skyismyoffice said:
. FLOPs may actually become a place where Union and Management can actually work side by side. I would have never thunk it.:)
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what a novel idea! let's all hope so!
 
EX_CV580FR8Dawg said:
Not to poke fun at those who do but this is about as close to B19 as you can get....


http://www.spunangel.com/opossum/argue.jpg


welcome back fellow floppers!
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Dayyyummm.....pardon me while I get clear of the impending lightning bolt! :eek:

I agree...Kenn seems to have taken some positive steps in the right direction. IMHO, I wouldn't be lulled into a false sense of good feeling by his overtures. It is essential that you folks stay the course. Remember that in the absence of a binding contract that which has been given can just as easily be taken away.
 
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It wasn't all that long ago that many NJ pilots also thought that a partnership would be far off--if ever--but situations can improve in fairly short order, especially once the egos and grudges get dropped. When you look for common ground and operate on the principle of fairness good things can happen that benefit everyone involved in the company. I don't think it's a stretch to see the same thing happening at FltOps, especially if joint committees are mandated in the contract and both sides learn and grow from working together. NJW
 
slowjet said:
NJW,
Thanks for the card, really appreciate it. And I thank all the Netjets pilots who supported us durning this trying time, now we can get FLOPS back to where it use to be, but better....
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My pleasure, SJ! Having been thru contract negotiations with the NJ folks I did think y'all were in the darkness before the dawn phase. I also think there's light showing at the end of the tunnel. Speaking of darkness, you guys are keeping track of everyone, right? Are all the hostages now accounted for? Is there a committee with a roster calling out names on your message board? (We know what you posted SJ..:) ) It wouldn't do to come this far just to lose a few back in the tunnel. I want to celebrate the return of every hostage but I have to rely on you guys to help me keep track of how many are still out there. Thanks for keeping me posted. NJW
 
FLSTCI said:
Remember that in the absence of a binding contract that which has been given can just as easily be taken away.
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Agreed.

I ain't over till the fat contract is signed!

We are now owned by HIG, an investment group that buys, grows then SELLS! Without a strong contract we don't have squat.
 
skyismyoffice said:
Apparently Kenn Ricci was very instrumental in putting all the RIF pilots back on the line. Our MEC rocks but I have to say that Mr. Ricci seems to deserve some credit as well. FLOPs may actually become a place where Union and Management can actually work side by side. I would have never thunk it.:)
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Put down the kool-aid and step away from the frig...
 
xpdriver said:
Put down the kool-aid and step away from the frig...
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sky is the last guy to drink the koolaid, but uncle kenn does get a smigen of credit. I will give the 1108 the majority but Ken does get some credit. I don't think its koolaid, ken was part of the process as well. Trust but verify, that is what were doing. Thank you 1108 and Ken.



(This was typed today, tomorrow might be different)
 
FLSTCI said:
Dayyyummm.....pardon me while I get clear of the impending lightning bolt! :eek:

I agree...Kenn seems to have taken some positive steps in the right direction. IMHO, I wouldn't be lulled into a false sense of good feeling by his overtures. It is essential that you folks stay the course. Remember that in the absence of a binding contract that which has been given can just as easily be taken away.
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Exactly what I've been saying. They were bargaining chips, nothing more. As I stated already,

"It's part of the process and those that lost their jobs can blame their counterparts for bringing the union onto the property to give them the opportunity to lose their jobs, then get hired back later as a "feel good" and "good faith" part of the bargaining process. If you guys don't see that, than you're all a lot dumber than I thought you were.
 
Dude, I hate to break it to you, but it was only the fools (company kool aid drinkers) here that actually believed what management said. Everyone else (and that would be the majority of us) knew this was a play and the rif pilots were going to be used by management as bargaining chips. We pilots have been talking about this possibility for the last few years. You call it "part of the process" and that is true. This is a perfect example of what UNETHICAL MANAGEMENT feels is "part of the process"......

I find it extremely amusing when people act like they are the only ones privy to such basic knowledge.....
 
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Good post, 400! It also explains why Scheeringa got the boot. Luckily, KR appears to understand the importance of working with the pilots instead of against them. Perhaps he realizes that holding pilots as hostages hurts the company, too, because it ruins morale. It's a huge distraction when pilots are wondering if they will be next. That's hardly conducive to building a good working relationship...:rolleyes:
 
B19 Flyer said:
Exactly what I've been saying. They were bargaining chips, nothing more. As I stated already,

"It's part of the process and those that lost their jobs can blame their counterparts for bringing the union onto the property to give them the opportunity to lose their jobs, then get hired back later as a "feel good" and "good faith" part of the bargaining process. If you guys don't see that, than you're all a lot dumber than I thought you were.
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Quit being so smug, we all realized that it was a possibility. However, it didn't have to be done, and it just goes to show you what our management was like... they were willing to potentially ruin the lives of many a family, in order to have their "bargaining chip". Apparently, it was a stupid bargaining chip too, because how does the company benefit when the pilots give the credit to the union for bringing them back? ... they don't, it just makes them believe more in the power of their union. So what was really gained by this? All that move did was to make everyone realize the necessity of their union, because without it, there is no protection for something like this happening again.
 
Well said, 993!
 
B19 Flyer said:
Exactly what I've been saying. They were bargaining chips, nothing more. As I stated already,

"It's part of the process and those that lost their jobs can blame their counterparts for bringing the union onto the property to give them the opportunity to lose their jobs, then get hired back later as a "feel good" and "good faith" part of the bargaining process. If you guys don't see that, than you're all a lot dumber than I thought you were.
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Yeah dumbass, no kidding. But you, you make it seem like the union made them bargaining chips. Can you explain to me in real terms where it was not the company, but the union, that made them bargaining chips?????

Go get your GED dumbass. The company fired them, making the play.

Ohhh, ohhhh, please tell me where the union CAUSED this problem.

Dumbass.
 
The COMPANY (da19 and shtfgr) let go 7 canpass pilots
The COMPANY (da19 and shtfgr) out of senority, laid off 70 pilots

The UNION (fellow pilots) got 70 rif pilots jobs back
The UNION (fellow pilots) got 5 canpass pilots jobs back


So who is the bad guy here?
 
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